Atheists believe in miracles more than believers

[McBell]

There's not any known ape that can interbreed with a human.

Maybe you should try better... but don't get too far from the facts you really know, 'cause you could fall into some fantasyworld and never be able to come back again.

Evolutionists do a lot of brainwashing.

Define "ape"
Define "human"

 

[The Hammer]

There's not any known ape that can interbreed with a human.

That's because the ones that did and could all went extinct... Due to said interbreeding. We mated the other species to death.

Looks like move really does win out.

 

[The Hammer]

There's not any known ape that can interbreed with a human.

Maybe you should try better... but don't get too far from the facts you really know, 'cause you could fall into some fantasyworld and never be able to come back again.

Evolutionists do a lot of brainwashing.

Also humans are apes (of the "great" variety)

 

[leroy]

As I said, I have addressed it and if you can't see it by now, you never will.

You adressed a starwman.

Your original argument was “because God can explain everything, then nothing in particular could ever count as evidence against God”

The balls and the archer examples where used to refute that argument ………..or you can simply think twice and see for yourself why your argument is nonsense.

 

[Eli G]

Also humans are apes (of the "great" variety)

That's only according to your theory.

According Bildad the Shuhite, one of the false friends of Job, we are just maggots and worms:

Job 25:5 Even the moon is not bright
And the stars are not pure in his eyes,
6 How much less so mortal man, who is a maggot,
And a son of man, who is a worm!”

Evidently, we don't have to accept names from anyone just because.

 

[The Hammer]

That's only according to your theory.

No

According Bildad the Shuhite, one of the false friends of Job, we are just maggots and worms:

They aren't wrong. In the eyes of the Gods we are but maggots.

Evidently, we don't have to accept names from anyone just because.

I mean... If that's what you take from that?

 

[Eli G]

No

They aren't wrong. In the eyes of the Gods we are but maggots.

I mean... If that's what you take from that?

The world is not evolutionary; only a part of it is. People should not be forced to accept theories that are still being discussed around the world. No one has the right to do that, just as I have no right to force anyone to believe in my God.

PS: I have had to endure the disrespect of hearing someone say that my mother is an ape. That is simply unacceptable, but moderation censors my posts and not those.

 

[ratiocinator]

Wouldn't it be a "miracle" if a female ape gave birth to a human?

Happens all the time. Humans are apes.

Helps to learn the basics.

 

[ratiocinator]

The world is not evolutionary; only a part of it is. People should not be forced to accept theories that are still being discussed around the world.

People shouldn't be forced to accept anything, but evolution is one of the most certain theories in all science due to the vast quantities of evidence we have for it from multiple different perspectives.

The only discussion about its basic acceptance comes from the ignorant and those with an obvious religious vested interest. The tactic is the same as that used by the tobacco companies when they were still denying the health risks of smoking. They generated and publisised a controversy and then said "it's controversial".

Humans being apes is just the biological classification:

Domain:​	Eukaryota​
Kingdom:​	Animalia​
Phylum:​	Chordata​
Class:​	Mammalia​
Order:​	Primates​
Suborder:​	Haplorhini​
Infraorder:​	Simiiformes​
Family:​	Hominidae <<<<< Great apes​
Subfamily:​	Homininae <<<<< African apes​
Tribe:​	Hominini​
Genus:​	Homo​
Species:​	H. sapiens <<<<< WE ARE HERE​

Human - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The Hammer]

PS: I have had to endure the disrespect of hearing someone say that my mother is an ape.

Too bad? You are, I am and she is. See post #5489

 

[Eli G]

Too bad? You are, I am and she is. See post #5489

Tell it to a black guy in Atlanta, and you'll see what happen.

Many people dare to say things on the Internet, hiding behind anonymity. This is another reason why some people believe that real life is just what is published in the media.

Real life is out there; you have to start watching it so you can understand it as it really is.

 

[The Hammer]

Tell it to a black guy in Atlanta, and you'll see what happen.

I would depending on the context.

Do you often miss much social cues?

Many people dare to say things on the Internet, hiding behind anonymity. This is another reason why some people believe that real life is just what is published in the media.

I'd say it to you in person, again depending on the context.

If we were discussing this topic in person I'd have said and brought up the same examples. Including the reminder that you, I and everyone we know are great apes.

Real life is out there; you have to start watching it so you can understand it as it really is.

I spend more time outside then I do online. Typically gardening and tending to my flock. I have a firm grasp on what "real life" is thanks.

 

[SkepticThinker]

There's not any known ape that can interbreed with a human.

Maybe you should try better... but don't get too far from the facts you really know, 'cause you could fall into some fantasyworld and never be able to come back again.

Evolutionists do a lot of brainwashing.

Humans are apes.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Tell it to a black guy in Atlanta, and you'll see what happen.

Many people dare to say things on the Internet, hiding behind anonymity. This is another reason why some people believe that real life is just what is published in the media.

Real life is out there; you have to start watching it so you can understand it as it really is.

All human beings are apes.
Facts are facts.

 

[Pogo]

All human beings are apes.
Facts are facts.

Where have you been for the last 10 years"

Post modernism is dead, we are into a different post.

 

[UpperLimits]

It seems contradictory, but if you see it from this perspective you will understand:

A believer considers miracles to be the result of a display of knowledge and power on the part of a conscious person.
An atheist believes that things that exist came out of nothing in a miraculous way, obeying some natural laws that emerged out of nowhere, by themselves.

So who is the one who believes in miracles?

Haha... Touche.

An interesting side note here is that all of the major sciences were all founded by men who believed in a conscious God. They believed that because He was a God of wisdom, knowledge and power, that His creation would therefore be be reflected in this and could consequently be understood in a consistent, rational, logical fashion. It was in this basic framework that all of the sciences which we have come to understand are founded.

 

[shunyadragon]

It seems contradictory, but if you see it from this perspective you will understand:

No

A believer considers miracles to be the result of a display of knowledge and power on the part of a conscious person.

OK for some, but not all believers.

An atheist believes that things that exist came out of nothing in a miraculous way, obeying some natural laws that emerged out of nowhere, by themselves.

Actually atheists and scientists do not believe in this foolishness. Please DO NOT equate scientists with atheists.

Scientists DO NOT believe anything comes from absolute nothing.

So who is the one who believes in miracles?

Not scientists nor atheists that's for sure,

 

[Audie]

Haha... Touche.

An interesting side note here is that all of the major sciences were all founded by men who believed in a conscious God. They believed that because He was a God of wisdom, knowledge and power, that His creation would therefore be be reflected in this and could consequently be understood in a consistent, rational, logical fashion. It was in this basic framework that all of the sciences which we have come to understand are founded.

You of course don’t mention the ancient Greeks,
Romans, or Chinese.
Or that for hundreds of years everyone in the
West HAD to at least very convincingly pretend to
be so very devout. Thats still widely true.
Or prevalent, depending where.
Here in China we are free of that handicap.


But a bigger flaw by far is where you slip in that
” because”- twice- which in neither case has logic
nor demonstrable fact to it- however popular it may
be with Believers.

You can take credit for lots of good stuff, but this is an overreach.


The worst is that you describe founding science on
a mindset that is anathema to science, the opposite of intellectual
integrity and science, the ruin of both.

Im guessing you don’t see it.

 

[Valjean]

The world is not evolutionary; only a part of it is. People should not be forced to accept theories that are still being discussed around the world. No one has the right to do that, just as I have no right to force anyone to believe in my God.

PS: I have had to endure the disrespect of hearing someone say that my mother is an ape. That is simply unacceptable, but moderation censors my posts and not those.

Name one theory that's not being discussed around the world.
"Ape" is not disrespectful. It's a simple biological fact.

 

[Pogo]

Name one theory that's not being discussed around the world.
"Ape" is not disrespectful. It's a simple biological fact.

Aether and Phlogiston theories, Intelligent Design is approaching that nadir too.