Atheists have faith.

[A Vestigial Mote]

I see that many that do not have a belief in God or a Religion, still have Faith. I see that many actions are based on morals that transcend this mortal world and are thus undertaken in Faith.

So what? How does an atheist having faith in OTHER THINGS prove that there is a God?

Done. You have failed at the outset to provide any compelling reason to positively believe in the existence of a deity. All you have (literally THE ONLY THING) is the phrase "You can't prove that God doesn't exist." But that line of reasoning works for ANYTHING. You can't prove that leprechauns don't exist! You can't prove that unicorns don't exist! You can't prove that invisible fart monsters with knowledge of everything don't exist! Ha!!! I've got you now!!!!!!! YOU ONLY HAVE FAITH THAT THESE THINGS DON'T EXIST!!!!! I WIN!!!!!!!!!! YOUR POSITION IS UNTENABLE!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Oh wait... I would prove myself a complete and utter IDIOT if I though that way. Nevermind.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The obvious answer to that is, that religion is man-made and therefore frequently errant. But God and religion are far from being the same thing.

God is a product of religion (culture, tradition, myth, history, and dogma). Without it, you'd have no conception of God nor know how to define your experiences and preexisted beliefs about it.

 

[RestlessSoul]

God is a product of religion (culture, tradition, myth, history, and dogma). Without it, you'd have no conception of God nor know how to define your experiences and preexisted beliefs about it.

I beg to differ. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, as one of your great American songwriters once observed.

 

[Left Coast]

I mentioned in other replies that I see there are many levels of faith, so ther are many ways we can answer this.

It is written in my religion that “By faith is meant, first, conscious knowledge, and second, the practice of good deeds.”, It also says that reason is “the first faculty of man” it also notes that reasoning power “singles man out from among created beings, and makes of him a creature apart.”

I am offering is that that the good we do, is the evidence of faith.

I found this from Abdul'baha, "There are three kinds of Faith: first, that which is from tradition and birth. For example: a child is born of Muhammadan parents, he is a Muhammadan. This faith is weak traditional faith: second, that which comes from Knowledge, and is the faith of understanding. This is good, but there is a better, the faith of practice. This is real faith."

So knowledge of the virtues and then when we practice of them, they will pass on the good, then does this indicate we have faith in the attributes?

Regards Tony

I wouldn't say it indicates "faith," no. If we have clear evidence of the benefits of some course of action, we don't need faith. Faith is employed when we don't have good enough evidence for something but believe it anyway.

 

[F1fan]

Why do you believe/have faith in a party?

This avoids my question. Besides, politics is a civic duty because this is how we decide how we manage our society. You should know this.

You have faith in a party that's in lets say 50 years that hasn't delivered.

Some are indoctraned to a religion and some are indoctraned to a party.

If neither deliver, why have faith in either?

I'm asking those who deliberately have faith in religion. No answer?

 

[F1fan]

What I am thinking is that Evolution is one of things we take on Faith, there is no solid answer as to the source of our evolution.

It's nature. What is your confusion about this? No faith required.

 

[F1fan]

I mentioned in other replies that I see there are many levels of faith, so ther are many ways we can answer this.

The English language allows enough precision that you can be very accurate about what definition of faith applies to any given explanation or query. When I see words with a variety of definitions used in a vague and misleading manner then something is fishy.

The irony about the "atheists have faith too" approach by theists is that if atheists are wrong, and they are wrong because they use faith, then how does this help the theist who relies on faith? It pokes holes in your own lifeboat.

It suggests to me that theists understand and are aware that faith is very unreliable and trying to pin this onto atheists without thinking how that argument sinks their boat too. Theists are better off trying to argue that faith IS reliable via some special ability they have. What is this special ability? Well, be creative, and be clever.

It is written in my religion that “By faith is meant, first, conscious knowledge, and second, the practice of good deeds.”, It also says that reason is “the first faculty of man” it also notes that reasoning power “singles man out from among created beings, and makes of him a creature apart.”

I am offering is that that the good we do, is the evidence of faith.

Great, so atheists have this same conscious knowledge and practice of good deeds, right? If atheists have faith, and this is what faith does, atheists have these qualities too.

I found this from Abdul'baha, "There are three kinds of Faith: first, that which is from tradition and birth. For example: a child is born of Muhammadan parents, he is a Muhammadan. This faith is weak traditional faith: second, that which comes from Knowledge, and is the faith of understanding. This is good, but there is a better, the faith of practice. This is real faith."

So knowledge of the virtues and then when we practice of them, they will pass on the good, then does this indicate we have faith in the attributes?

Faith in knowledge and understanding would be on the side of the well educated and largely atheists. I assert this since atheists understand the nature of religious concepts, reasoning, objectivity, and don't have the emotional, biological, and cultural motivation to bias towards religious belief.

 

[F1fan]

Good that you picked up the fact that the OP needed rewording. I have done so.

Luckily I am happy for such a reply, as it shows I need better writing skills. The intent of the OP was to show that Atheists can indeed live a life that a person of Religion tries to live in Faith, and as such, can we then conclude that the Atheists, without knowing it, are indeed strong in faith based works?

Regards Tony

But theists employ a type and definition of faith that atheists DON'T use, correct? No atheist comes close to anything like "living in Faith". That is a specifically religious phrase, especially that you capitalize Faith. That means it is a proper and very specific word with a specific meaning. It doesn't apply to atheists. Agree?

 

[Trailblazer]

Thank you.

@wandering peacefully is great isn't he? I love that man.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The obvious answer to that is, that religion is man-made and therefore frequently errant. But God and religion are far from being the same thing.

Well I would agree if frequently was replaced by usually or always.

 

[Dropship]

..religious groups that make the error of interpreting their holy books literally.

Yes some hardcore christian groups do that, but most enlightened christians take things in context with a dash of out-of-the-box modern thinking thrown in..
For examp take this verse-
“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” (Genesis 6:4)

Needless to say, it would have been physically impossible for huge giants to mate with human women, so in context we can speculate that the "giants" were big not in physical stature but in brainpower and were human-sized, so mating was no problem.
Their DNA of course vastly improved the human race.
We could further speculate that all truthseekers through the centuries til the modern day can trace their bloodline and DNA back to those ancient giants, and stand tall and proud..

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes some hardcore christian groups do that, but most enlightened christians take things in context with a dash of out-of-the-box modern thinking thrown in..
For examp take this verse-
“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” (Genesis 6:4)

Needless to say, it would have been physically been for huge giants to mate with human women, so in context we can speculate that the "giants" were big not in physical stature but in brainpower and were human-sized, so mating was no problem.
Their DNA of course vastly improved the human race.
We could speculate further that all truthseekers through the centuries til the modern day can trace their bloodline and DNA back to those ancient giants, and stand tall and proud..

Please no nonsensical reinterpretation of the Bible. That convinces no one. Perhaps if you learned what evidence was you could properly defend beliefs. Merely reinterpreting the Bible when it is shown to be wrong is never a good look.

 

[Dropship]

So how come there are so many religions - that seem to differ - oh wise one?

The founders of all other religions are in graves somewhere, people can follow them if they like but I prefer to follow Jesus because he's not..
Below- women go to pay their respects at Jesus's tomb but are told-

 

[wandering peacefully]

Good that you picked up the fact that the OP needed rewording. I have done so.

Luckily I am happy for such a reply, as it shows I need better writing skills. The intent of the OP was to show that Atheists can indeed live a life that a person of Religion tries to live in Faith, and as such, can we then conclude that the Atheists, without knowing it, are indeed strong in faith based works?

Regards Tony

I'm glad you picked up on your wording Tony. Are you now agreeing with my response to your wording and that it was childish and bigoted? Or have you just changed your wording to hide your True thoughts?

Can I have faith that you yourself wrote the original OP before the redactions and other rather large changes in context?

Can I now have faith you have understood the origins of ethics and morals and you understand that your previous ideas involving atheists not being moral because they don't believe in theists claims about gods and religions was incorrect?

?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The founders of all other religions are in graves somewhere, people can follow them if they like but I prefer to follow Jesus because he's not..
Below- women go to pay their respects at Jesus's tomb but are told-

But that is just part of the story. The existence of a tomb is doubted in the first place. The story falls apart when investigated.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The founders of all other religions are in graves somewhere, people can follow them if they like but I prefer to follow Jesus because he's not..
Below- women go to pay their respects at Jesus's tomb but are told-

So in essence, you prefer to believe one text over another.

 

[Dropship]

Please no nonsensical reinterpretation of the Bible. That convinces no one. Perhaps if you learned what evidence was you could properly defend beliefs. Merely reinterpreting the Bible when it is shown to be wrong is never a good look.

But mate you're missing out on the FUN of speculation..
You can think giants mated with human women if you like, but christians would say it'd be a tad painful for the poor women..

 

[Subduction Zone]

But mate you're missing out on the FUN of speculation..
You can think giants mated with human women if you like, but christians would say it'd be a tad painful for the poor women..

Serious people do not speculate and pretend that they have made a point.

 

[Dropship]

But that is just part of the story. The existence of a tomb is doubted in the first place. The story falls apart when investigated.

Logic it out Sherlock-
Pilate and the priests knew Jesus had claimed he'd rise from the dead, so they rolled a boulder over the tomb entrance and stationed two sentries there to make sure he couldn't get out, and yet he still did, heck not even Penn and Teller could explain it..

 

[Dropship]

Serious people do not speculate and pretend that they have made a point.

You're not a straight-laced fundy literalist religionist by any chance are you mate?
Like I've said, speculation is FUN, for example I like to speculate that the blonde shopgirl in the grocers likes older men and that I might therefore be in with a chance..