Maybe we should learn to rely on one another more. Build up humankind, instead of looking to a supernatural being to save the day. That's one of the issues I have with religion, is that it teaches that all one needs to do is rely on a god, even if that means turning one's back on those around you.
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Atheists have nothing to rely on
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Blastcat
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Revol yes i meant sex drugs and rock n roll. I wanted to edit
But religious people have spiritual Powers. It gives them strength.
What are "spiritual powers"?
Blastcat
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I own things.
I have things to give...
What do you own and have to give than an atheist doesn't or can't ?
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Servant_of_the_One1
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Servant_of_the_One1
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No guys i mean when i feel real down, and family and friends cant help me with it then i call on God for bigger help. Then ofcourse my Heart and mind becomes peaceful.
I think atheists dont have that because they cant call upon anyone when family friends therapists(lol) fail.
I think atheists dont have that because they cant call upon anyone when family friends therapists(lol) fail.
Servant_of_the_One1
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Call upon God, if ur heart and mind doesnt get peaceful feeling then u are doing it wrong
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Then again, there are unusual human animals like me who neither feel the need of a "god crutch" feel a need to abuse sex, drugs or alcohol for so-called "spiritual comfort". Some of us are more than happy - alone in the universe.
And what if you already have enough peace to satisfy a small village? Your thought offers me nothing I don't have oodles of already.Call upon God, if ur heart and mind doesnt get peaceful feeling then u are doing it wrong
Jumi
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This is what I do with nature, my mind becomes peaceful, breathing opens up and eyes clear up. If nothing else helps, I go there. I think it's the same thing you are saying we are missing. I'll say it's rare that I need it now, but it was what helped me get over the worst part of my life.Call upon God, if ur heart and mind doesnt get peaceful feeling then u are doing it wrong
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
I had some very depressing things happening to me and my family in the past. I was religious at that time, and I was looking for support from God all the time. At one point, it stopped working. I didn't feel any emotional support from God at all. That's when I became an atheist. With time, I've learned to find this inner peace and emotional support in different ways, but alcohol, drugs, and sex won't do it.
So what does God do when you call upon him?
Koldo
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Do you mind if I ask why 'of course' ?
It seems to be implied on this post that it is supposed to always work.
I can speak from personal experience that it didn't work for me.
Seeing as religious folk far outweigh non-religious folk, I think it's safe to say that far more religious people use those things than non-religious people.
Besides, there's plenty to rely upon without Gods. Friends and family, for one.
My friends and family have never failed to help when I've asked. I don't call upon the Gods instead of my friends; I call upon them in addition to my friends.
I'm also seeing a therapist right now (because I'm ASD), and she's been a big help to me.
There's also support hotlines, forums like this, and even things that don't necessarily involve socializing, such as films or video games. Sometimes, a little alone time is what's needed to recharge.
Perhaps by relying upon our own & earthly resources gives us different strength.
It's analogous to a child maturing to the point where self reliance supersedes parental support.
But I'm also lucky....I don't have anything requiring any help.
Baladas
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Often really cool as literary elements?
Baladas
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I do not rely on your God, or on anything like what you seem to think of as deity.
I find comfort in my wife and daughter, my family (including my dog and cats). I find comfort within myself in meditation; in silence and
stillness.
In a sunrise, sunset, a mountain overlook, a river, a forest. My comfort does not come from ideas and beliefs only,
but from direct experience.
Unveiled Artist
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Atheist and believers both have love. Our sources are different AND that does not negate that we are on equal grounds--equal rights--to experience that love that no person of any other belief or world view system can deprive us of.
We both have the need to do better for ourselves and sacrifice ourselves for those or what we care for. Believers are not aliens or visa versa. We are all on equal grounds.
Atheist do not need to be supported by God to have the grace, faith, love, and support that life gives them through their family, their selves, their morals, who or what they put as priorities. (Drugs, sex, excluded, for, well, I'll say most since I dont know).
Atheist dont need God for these things. Christians dont need to "not believe in God" to see the truth. We shouldn't have to "need" to step from ourselves to see another person's world-view if that world-view compromises our own. Christians arent special. Atheist arent special. No one is special.
There.
Wrap up: Atheist dont need to be supported by God. Believers dont need to not believe in God to see someone else's truth. Both are on equal ground. No one is special. Atheist don't go for sex, drugs, etc and all that mess (as a whole, generalising).
Jumping to conclusions and dictating someone else's truth so it can mirror our own. Life does not work that way.
We both have the need to do better for ourselves and sacrifice ourselves for those or what we care for. Believers are not aliens or visa versa. We are all on equal grounds.
Atheist do not need to be supported by God to have the grace, faith, love, and support that life gives them through their family, their selves, their morals, who or what they put as priorities. (Drugs, sex, excluded, for, well, I'll say most since I dont know).
Atheist dont need God for these things. Christians dont need to "not believe in God" to see the truth. We shouldn't have to "need" to step from ourselves to see another person's world-view if that world-view compromises our own. Christians arent special. Atheist arent special. No one is special.
There.
Wrap up: Atheist dont need to be supported by God. Believers dont need to not believe in God to see someone else's truth. Both are on equal ground. No one is special. Atheist don't go for sex, drugs, etc and all that mess (as a whole, generalising).
Jumping to conclusions and dictating someone else's truth so it can mirror our own. Life does not work that way.
Unveiled Artist
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I just want to say, a lot of atheist Do understand and that is why they are atheist. Everyone comes to understanding differenty. So the love you get from God does not mean when I see God I will feel the same. It's great to pray that atheist does; and, it is not realistic to assume what one person believes is the truth the other should feel likewise.
It is like both of us meeting one person we may want to befriend. We both learn more about this friend. She is nice and all. However, maybe you like her and I do not. Maybe after getting to really know her, I found we just don't "click." That is OKAY.
My defriending this woman because we dont click (after understanding and getting to know her) should not compromise your (and any other people) friendship with the woman.
It is what it is. There is nothing wrong with 1 understanding who you dont want to love and 2 not wanting to worship someone because you dont love him.
Its fine. This post is really for anyone who shares your feelings. It just kind of bothers me when any person atheist, christian, whoever, takes offense when it is okay that we have different beliefs and it is okay that someone else says you have no support with God. It is Not true to you; so, it is not true. Be happy with God and let it be.
It's okay. Really.
okay, continue...
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