Atheists - how did you come to be?

[amorphous_constellation]

Sure I can imagine not existing. I just imagine a time before 1967.

I mean you can't imagine being in that state, that state of not existing, to clarify. Is my language too confusing on that?

Science would absolutely evidence that you have not always existed, but came into existence at your conception. And that your consciousness is a product of your physical brain.

You do understand what I said there though right? I don't believe our two ideas here actually clash, read it again if you would, do you get what I'm trying to explain here?

I was asking why you think consciousness is transcendant?

Ok wait a minute though, could you state how you are defining that word, I'm not sure I like the word - I surely don't want to use it if it's conveying the wrong idea here.

 

[psychoslice]

Atheist or who ever came to be, is the same as everyone else, through evolution, its that simple.

 

[Bunyip]

I mean you can't imagine being in that state, that state of not existing, to clarify. Is my language too confusing on that?

Sorry, but yes. Of course I can imagine not existing.

You do understand what I said there though right? I don't believe our two ideas here actually clash, read it again if you would, do you get what I'm trying to explain here?

Ok wait a minute though, could you state how you are defining that word, I'm not sure I like the word - I surely don't want to use it if it's conveying the wrong idea here.

WellI mean the sort of duality you are suggestingm- that consciousness is somehow not a product of the brain, but can exist somehow external and independant of a brain.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Atheist or who ever came to be, is the same as everyone else, through evolution, its that simple.

I'd like to focus on reincarnation being scientific if you'd like to join the conversation.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Sorry, but yes. Of course I can imagine not existing.

Ok, but you can't imagine the standpoint of not being something, of not having some perspective on reality, somewhere. You can imagine 200 years ago what things were like, but you can't imagine not being in the form of a sentient being at that time. Really I need time to re-frame all these thoughts I think, but I think I can eventually make it clearer.

WellI mean the sort of duality you are suggestingm- that consciousness is somehow not a product of the brain, but can exist somehow external and independant of a brain.

Right, well I'll try to think of better language for all of that.

 

[Bunyip]

How can you think you know what I can or can not imagine? That is a very strange notion.

 

[psychoslice]

I'd like to focus on reincarnation being scientific if you'd like to join the conversation.

What reincarnates ?, we are not even the mind body organism, na, there is nothing to discuses.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

What reincarnates ?, we are not even the mind body organism, na, there is nothing to discuses.

So you don't believe in mind-brain dualism?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

How can you think you know what I can or can not imagine? That is a very strange notion.

No, I'm trying to put forth a theory on what we all can't do, unless you are some kind of mystic or something that can remember a past life.

 

[psychoslice]

So you don't believe in mind-body dualism?

I don't believe in anything, especially duality.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I don't believe in anything, especially duality.

*mind-brain dualism that was a typo. Ok thanks, just was curious, it seems like I'm the only atheist in thread who subscribes to dualism.

 

[psychoslice]

*mind-brain dualism that was a typo. Ok thanks, just was curious, it seems like I'm the only atheist in thread who subscribes to dualism.

Maybe so, atheist are so up themselves, who knows ?.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yeah and once you build that android (being nothing like data in that this thing will truly be topically indistinguishable from a human) giving it immortality and super intelligence, this thing will actually figure out how to make a soul. If it gets damaged, its soul will be transcendent the moment it saves itself on a flip drive.

You are making a lot of unsupported claims about what humans are like, and that hurts your case.

 

[LuisDantas]

So you don't believe in mind-brain dualism?

Very few people who do would dream of calling themselves atheists.

 

[outhouse]

Explain to me what imagination is?

What point of debating is there if you cannot understand in context, simple English words?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Alright, well you guys win. You sapped my energy, but I tried.

 

[Willamena]

*mind-brain dualism that was a typo. Ok thanks, just was curious, it seems like I'm the only atheist in thread who subscribes to dualism.

Or perhaps the only one who recognizes it in himself.

 

[paarsurrey]

Originally Posted by paarsurrey
To me, Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism is a mythical world view neither supported positively by science nor by religion.

And how so?

If you maintain Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism is supported by science, then please quote from a text book of science or from a peer-reviewed journal of science in this connection.

If you maintain Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism is supported by a revealed Religion, then please quote from its accepted scripture.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

From my perspective actually, all those you mentioned may be mythical along with every religion we've established so far, along with some modern things that science may say possibly. Really what it may come down to for me, is that we all barely see the tip of the iceberg with this stuff. My fellow atheists/agnostics or whatever they want to be called nowadays to me just seem kind of stuffy about a lot of things, and although I cannot blame them for what they've endured historically, I really wish they'd find a way to get over their cynical feelings and rekindle the adventurous, optimistic types of even spiritually exploratory thinking that could be their proper mantle.

You mention a good point.

However the truthful Religion is not mythical, it is an exception.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

You might need to define what you mean by 'myth' paarsurrey.
Belief in myth and skepticism are strange bedfellows, even if you think atheists are wrong (as is your right).

Any idea that is not based on reality is a myth*.

*a widely held but false belief or idea

With this definition Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism are mythical.

Regards