Atheists, Humanists - a verse for you!!

[leov]

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That's always been my understanding. Yet leov claimed that sin = ignorance

Valentinian Teaching on Sin - Valentinus and the Valentinian Tradition
St. Paul was proto-Valentinian.

 

[InChrist]

That's always been my understanding. Yet leov claimed that sin = ignorance

Yes, I think you are right and it involves more than ignorance.

 

[leov]

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Valentinian Teaching on Sin - Valentinus and the Valentinian Tradition
St. Paul was proto-Valentinian.

14"But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. "
Removing veil of ignorance that is what Christ does.

 

[THE HOOD APOLOGIST]

Sincerity is another key.

I don't think so. You can be Sincerely wrong.

 

[THE HOOD APOLOGIST]

Your consciousness is the key.

Conscious can only take you so far, being it can become seared according to Paul (2 Timothy 4:2).

 

[exchemist]

Romans 2:9-16

There will be anguish and distress for everyone who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, but glory and honor and peace for everyone for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also Greek. For God shows no partiality. All who have sinned apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not for the hearers of the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but the doers of the law but doers of the law who will be justified. When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. They show that the law is written in their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all. NRSV

Takaway: Everyone will be judged by their own values.

But the real point, of course, is to make clear that Christianity is open to the Gentiles just as much as to Jews, and that Jews cannot expect special treatment from God due simply to the religion they follow.

By the way, what on earth makes you think that an atheist will take any notice of something written in a book he has no faith in?

 

[shunyadragon]

I don't think so. You can be Sincerely wrong.

Very very true, because we are fallible humans for the most part believing in the many diverse conflicting religions of different cultures that consider what is true belief believe differently, and everyone considering their belief sincerely.

Question: Do fundamentalist Christians sincerely and honestly consider science as science. Many Christians who endorse Theistic Evolution are more honest and sincere about science. For the most part atheists are sincere and honest about science.

 

[shunyadragon]

Valentinian Teaching on Sin - Valentinus and the Valentinian Tradition
I would not go so low commenting what other think, if I were you.

This is a very naive warped view of sin, or 'wrongful acts.' The actual rate of 'wrongful acts, or sin is no different between Christians and non-Christians.

 

[leov]

Conscious can only take you so far, being it can become seared according to Paul (2 Timothy 4:2).

2"preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. "
Please explain , I do not see much related. Paul gives instruction to person of higher consciousness how to teach people of lower consciousness?

 

[leov]

This is a very naive warped view of sin, or 'wrongful acts.' The actual rate of 'wrongful acts, or sin is no different between Christians and non-Christians.

What is your idea? Those people wrote NT .

 

[leov]

Very very true, because we are fallible humans for the most part believing in the many diverse conflicting religions of different cultures that consider what is true belief believe differently, and everyone considering their belief sincerely.

Question: Do fundamentalist Christians sincerely and honestly consider science as science. Many Christians who endorse Theistic Evolution are more honest and sincere about science. For the most part atheists are sincere and honest about science.

Christianity was taken over by lower consciousness political oriened people.

 

[leov]

Yes, I think you are right and it involves more than ignorance.

Ignorance, imo, is general term, it leads to not connecting to the source .

 

[shunyadragon]

Christianity was taken over by lower consciousness political oriented people.

Does not work, and side steps the issue of what is 'sin' or wrongful acts from the Christian perspective. If this is the case there is no reasonable justification for Christianity. You are reducing Christianity to a political movement, which would justify the atheist view of the religion.

 

[shunyadragon]

Ignorance, imo, is general term, it leads to not connecting to the source .

Than your misusing 'ignorance,' and it is the wrong word. Were using the English language here.

 

[leov]

Does not work, and side steps the issue of what is 'sin' or wrongful acts from the Christian perspective. If this is the case there is no reasonable justification for Christianity. You are reducing Christianity to a political movement, which would justify the atheist view of religion.

You misunderstand roots of Abrahamic religions. It is about changing consciousness and bringing nature of men to acceptable by God level, it starts with removing state of ignorance.

 

[leov]

Than your misusing 'ignorance,' and it is the wrong word. Were using the English language here.

Strong's Greek: 52. ἄγνοια (agnoia) -- ignorance

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Yet, what if God is there sustaining your every breath and heartbeat?

Good for Him, I guess? Who cares? Please answer me... why would this matter? If He suddenly stopped, would I even know that it was Him doing the stopping? He would literally have to come in front of my face and let me know He had been the source of my heart beats and breaths, and then tell me that He was now going to take it away, and then follow through and stop my breathing and heart beating for me to know that He was the one responsible. So... let Him go ahead and do so, if that's what He wants. Well? Where is He at? I'm waiting. How long do you think before He shows up? Oh, He won't? Of course He won't.

You theists talk a big, huge game... but you have nothing to actually bring to the field. Nothing but specious words and laughably empty promises. It's ridiculous.

 

[shunyadragon]

Strong's Greek: 52. ἄγνοια (agnoia) -- ignorance

As before: Does not work, and side steps the issue of what is 'sin' or wrongful acts from the Christian perspective. If this is the case there is no reasonable justification for Christianity. You are reducing Christianity to a political movement, which would justify the atheist view of the religion.

 

[shunyadragon]

What is your idea? Those people wrote NT .

They wrote to justify their belief from an ancient worldview perspective.

 

[leov]

As before: Does not work, and side steps the issue of what is 'sin' or wrongful acts from the Christian perspective. If this is the case there is no reasonable justification for Christianity. You are reducing Christianity to a political movement, which would justify the atheist view of the religion.

It became political today especially in the West. It was not and never meant to be. I am a Gnostic type. "Wrongful acts" is a psychic definition, spiritual one goes to agnoya