Atheists: If God existed would God……

[F1fan]

or we could be right, in which case......

Just need to provide that missing evidence.

No, it is not counter to unity. There can be unity in diversity.

If you accept diversity, and avoid thinking you are best. How well do you do this in regards to your religious belief?

 

[Truthseeker]

Right, atheists know they have inner strength and don't need to believe in religious concepts like Gods.

Okay, I overstated it. It's not about having a religious concept, it's about finding light within yourself. It's possible that anyone could find that inner light.

 

[Trailblazer]

Just need to provide that missing evidence.

There is no evidence missing, it is all there for people to see.

If you accept diversity, and avoid thinking you are best. How well do you do this in regards to your religious belief?

Baha'is do not believe we are the best, we believe that Baha'u'llah was only the latest in a series of Manifestations of God. More Manifestations of God will come in the future.

As Baha’is, we are sharply admonished not to distinguish between any of the Messengers of God, who we call Manifestations of God, because we believe God is One and all his religions were all revealed by the One True God. Each Messenger had a specific purpose and mission that was “pertinent” to the day in which He appeared. We are not to make distinctions between any of the Messengers or elevate one over another.

"Beware, O believers in the Unity of God, lest ye be tempted to make any distinction between any of the Manifestations of His Cause, or to discriminate against the signs that have accompanied and proclaimed their Revelation. This indeed is the true meaning of Divine Unity, if ye be of them that apprehend and believe this truth. Be ye assured, moreover, that the works and acts of each and every one of these Manifestations of God, nay whatever pertaineth unto them, and whatsoever they may manifest in the future, are all ordained by God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Whoso maketh the slightest possible difference between their persons, their words, their messages, their acts and manners, hath indeed disbelieved in God, hath repudiated His signs, and betrayed the Cause of His Messengers.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 59-60

 

[Truthseeker]

It sounds like you are feeling self-pity. Why would a grounded and spiritual person feel pity for a person who acknowledges there is no evidentiary reason to believe any God exists? Even you can't show any evidence. If anything a grounded and spiritual person would applaud a person for using their reason to such a high level.

Ha! This guy has shown such confusion over the time I've known him. There is evidence of the existence of God, but it doesn't come from the facts of the material world. You wouldn't know what that evidence is, either.

 

[Trailblazer]

Ha! This guy has shown such confusion over the time I've known him. There is evidence of the existence of God, but it doesn't come from the facts of the material world. You wouldn't know what that evidence is, either.

Some of that evidence comes from the facts of the material world. For example, the prophecies that were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah were fulfilled in the material world.

There is much more evidence but it has been proven who Baha'u'llah was solely by these prophecies. A person would have to be blind not to see this. Of course, that is not evidence for atheists since they don't adhere to the Bible.

As you know, all those prophecies are in the book Thief in the Night by William Sears.
Some of the prophecies and how they were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah are depicted in the following 10 minute video.

 

[F1fan]

Ha! This guy has shown such confusion over the time I've known him.

What guy are you referring to?

There is evidence of the existence of God, but it doesn't come from the facts of the material world.

Well then, if the evidence is not facts of the material world then how do you know it exists? Do you have special powers that enable you to see things that are not apparent to others? Your claim here is suspicious.

You wouldn't know what that evidence is, either.

How do you know? You sound defensive.

Could it be that you have no actual evidence and you are bluffing? Is that spiritual?

 

[John53]

There is much more evidence but it has been proven who Baha'u'llah was solely by these prophecies. A person would have to be blind not to see this. Of course, that is not evidence for atheists since they don't adhere to the Bible.

You speak for atheists?

 

[Trailblazer]

You speak for atheists?

No, I do not speak for atheists...
It is only my personal opinion that it would not be evidence for atheists since they don't adhere to the Bible. Look at the video and tell me what you think.

 

[John53]

No, I do not speak for atheists...
It is only my personal opinion that it would not be evidence for atheists since they don't adhere to the Bible. Look at the video and tell me what you think.

I can't get past the 1 minute mark because of the music. To me it's over produced nonsense.

 

[CG Didymus]

You are so blind to spiritual realities! I feel sorry for you.

Unbelievable. Baha'is like you make me turn to my Christian friends. Trouble is... it's not long before they tell me how blind I am of the spiritual realities and say that Jesus the way the truth and the life and is coming soon. So, I stand by my comments... Baha'is are essentially the same as Fundy Christians. They think they are the only ones that have the real truth from God. That all the other religions have added things in and misinterpreted their own Scriptures and have lost the true message.

Ha! This guy has shown such confusion over the time I've known him.

In the opinion of a Baha'i. Where is the love? The humility? The forgiveness? Only one Baha'i here has shown any humility and that is Loverofhumanity. That is pitiful. The ones that believe they have the light, that have truth, don't know how to share this truth in love and humility. "Let deeds not words be your adorning" Isn't that what Baha'is are told to do?

What guy are you referring to?

I think it was me. And yes, the Baha'i Faith, Fundy Christianity and all proselytizing types of religions are very confusing to me. And it is true... I am blind to what they think is spiritual truth. I just don't see it. They say all major religions came from the one true God in what they call "progressive" revelation... I don't see it. They say their guy has fulfilled all the prophesies of all the major religions... I don't see it. It's terrible being so blind and confused about what they so clearly see. Or... I'm the dumb kid that's saying, "Hey, the King's not wearing any clothes."

It all comes down to... Are the claims made by Baha'u'llah true? Are his teachings from God? Can they unite the world in peace and harmony? Maybe, maybe not. I see some problems with some of their claims and teachings. How they react to the questions I ask sure isn't helping convince me of their religion being true.

 

[Truthseeker]

That is a hard pill to swallow, especially right now. Never mind me, I don't care if I suffer, been there, done that, but how is it light and mercy for Lewis to have to suffer this way?

He hasn't been feeling light and mercy for a while, before this development, according to your reporting. I don't know how accountable he is for that. He might be feeling better about the situation now. Probably is. I don't disregard your suffering, I care if you suffer. I don't want to try to explain how this calamity and light and mercy works especially now. You are not in a position to apprecaite that at all now, knowing you.

 

[CG Didymus]

You speak for atheists?

It's so weird about the prophecies. I don't know why Baha'is even bring them up at all. To me, they are all too vague to be proof of anything. Yet the claim is that a person would have to be "blind" not to see how true they are?

 

[Trailblazer]

He hasn't been feeling light and mercy for a while, before this development, according to your reporting. I don't know how accountable he is for that. He might be feeling better about the situation now. Probably is.

That is a great insight. He checked out of this life a long time ago. He has simply been existing. He has wanted to die for a long time and this is his ticket out. He could not care less if he leaves me standing at the train station watching his departure. Please tell me why I should care, but don't throw scriptures at me. I cannot live up to those, hopefully God will forgive me.

 

[Trailblazer]

I don't want to try to explain how this calamity and light and mercy works especially now.

I do not think you can know. You just believe you know based upon your interpretation of some scriptures.
Sorry Duane, I hate it when believers believe they know why these horrible things happen.

Nobody knows why these horrible things happen, only God knows.
When you try to turn a tragedy into something good, it doesn't work.
Even if it gets better later, it does not take away the tragedy and the memories that will never go away.

I wish I had never been born. How many more tragedies is God going to make me endure?

“O thou seeker of the Kingdom! Thy letter was received. Thou hast written of the severe calamity that hath befallen thee—the death of thy respected husband. That honourable man hath been so subjected to the stress and strain of this world that his greatest wish was for deliverance from it. Such is this mortal abode: a storehouse of afflictions and suffering. It is ignorance that binds man to it, for no comfort can be secured by any soul in this world, from monarch down to the most humble commoner. If once this life should offer a man a sweet cup, a hundred bitter ones will follow; such is the condition of this world. The wise man, therefore, doth not attach himself to this mortal life and doth not depend upon it; at some moments, even, he eagerly wisheth for death that he may thereby be freed from these sorrows and afflictions. Thus it is seen that some, under extreme pressure of anguish, have committed suicide.”
Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 200

No Duane, it is not ignorance that binds man to it, it is being born into this world that binds man to it, until we die or unless we commit suicide.

 

[John53]

It's so weird about the prophecies. I don't know why Baha'is even bring them up at all. To me, they are all too vague to be proof of anything. Yet the claim is that a person would have to be "blind" not to see how true they are?

I know what you mean. It's almost like the charlatan psychics... I'm getting a J or M name, they passed when they were older and I'm sensing pain in the chest arms or legs.

 

[samtonga43]

The sweet irony is that you take an atheist position when you are a Christian who does not believe anything that atheists believe.

That, Tb, is neither irony nor a correct assessment of my position. I am a Christian who agrees with certain aspects of atheist belief. For example, I agree with their recognition that your cognitive abilities leave a lot to be desired.

Problems is that neither you nor the atheists can offer a reasoned response to my posts, all you can do is make snarky remarks.

There is no reasoned response to garbled logic, Tb.
(Garbled: adjective: (of a message, sound, or transmission) confused and distorted; unclear).

 

[ppp]

Fear and indoctrination. What can you do?

What's to rebut? You said that I am not responsible for the results of any event that I knowingly set in motion.

That is completely illogical because knowing something is going to happen does not make anyone, including God, responsible for what happens.

 

[samtonga43]

That is a great insight. He checked out of this life a long time ago. He has simply been existing. He has wanted to die for a long time and this is his ticket out. He could not care less if he leaves me standing at the train station watching his departure. Please tell me why I should care, but don't throw scriptures at me. I cannot live up to those, hopefully God will forgive me.

Why should you care?
You should care because he is a human being with whom you are connected and who is suffering from clinical depression and probably physical discomfort, and pain.
That is why you could care.
You should be ashamed that you need someone to tell you this.

 

[Trailblazer]

Why should you care?
You should care because he is a human being with whom you are connected and who is suffering from clinical depression and probably physical discomfort, and pain.
That is why you could care.
You should be ashamed that you need someone to tell you this.

I asked @Truthseeker why I should care, I did not ask you.

Why can't you keep your big nose out of my business? You know nothing about my marital relationship, you just think you know everything. I have not been 'connected' with him for over 20 years, I just stayed with him because I knew he could not take care of himself.

I do not need you to tell me why I should care, I can consult with my local LSA and they will help me decide what to do. I am sure they will have suggestions but none of them will tell me what I should do. That is stepping over the line.

 

[ppp]

Again, so ironic that Baha'is say they believe in science and reason. Until it comes to questioning their concept of God.

[nod] Or even their methodology for determining that their founder knew what he claimed to know.