Atheists: If there's no God, then where did the world come from?

[angellous_evangellous]

Sum1sGruj (really? trying to be gangsta?) is just playing people here. This guys about as christian as I am skinny. He's just getting his kicks from pissin' you guys off.

haha I'm not mad. I am thoroughly entertained.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

My logic has no holes, and that is why no one has been able to contend it. Period.

(the anti-Spock)

 

[Sum1sGruj]

And how is speculation wrong when it's the only possibility?

I mean seriously, some of you have been so brainwashed by science that your intellect suffers.
You are saying that the universe didn't come from nothing and that the only alternative will be considered speculation because there is no proof.
:biglaugh:And theists are in denial. It seems they are more right, ironically.

I even provided a step by step fundamental aspect on why it is so. Whatever lol I have no need to be on this thread any longer.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Sum1sGruj (really? trying to be gangsta?) is just playing people here. This guys about as christian as I am skinny. He's just getting his kicks from pissin' you guys off.

I don't know if he's Christian or not, but I can tell you that I couldn't pretend to be this intellectually bankrupt.

I really did try in a thread recently, and I just couldn't do it. Not even when I was wasted.

That's just me.

I do understand the relectuance of realizing that another human being can be obstinately bereft of any recognizable reasoning skills, but for better or worse some people really are. It's more fun to make money off of them than try and debate with them about anything.

 

[ninerbuff]

And how is speculation wrong when it's the only possibility?

I mean seriously, some of you have been so brainwashed by science that your intellect suffers.
You are saying that the universe didn't come from nothing and that the only alternative will be considered speculation because there is no proof.
:biglaugh:And theists are in denial. It seems they are more right, ironically.

I believe that NO ONE really knows. Everyone, regardless of what they believe, is going with what they think is their best guess. Anything is a possibility because neither side has actual proof.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

And how is speculation wrong when it's the only possibility?

I mean seriously, some of you have been so brainwashed by science that your intellect suffers.
You are saying that the universe didn't come from nothing and that the only alternative will be considered speculation because there is no proof.
:biglaugh:And theists are in denial. It seems they are more right, ironically.

I even provided a step by step fundamental aspect on why it is so. Whatever lol I have no need to be on this thread any longer. Now like always, post a 100 reasons why I'm wrong, each conisting of the same stupid reason.

All speculation is open to criticism and subject to be incorrect, especially when (as in your case) the speculation is divorced from all human knowledge and reason.

That's why we don't abandon science or philosophy when we speculate. Science and philosophy can't tell us everything, but scientific methods and philosophical constructs provide us with all our knowledge of the natural world, and it is the only well from which we draw material to build logical premises.

Because you've refused to build your *supposed* logical premises on your own loosely fabricated dreams and not the only logical source for premises, you were not applying logical thinking to your subject, showing utter hatred and contempt for it.

You have no understanding of anything that you have addressed, which is a sign that you have not studied or even thought about your topic in a way that utilizes human knowledge from the sciences or reasonable application of this knowledge through a philosophical system.

So you don't have logic. And you don't even have a theology.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

And how is speculation wrong when it's the only possibility?

For the same reason we don't allow people to perjure themselves in court. If it's speculation then it's useless unless it is then corroborated by evidence.

I mean seriously, some of you have been so brainwashed by science that your intellect suffers.

So I take it you don't use science for anything in your life?

You are saying that the universe didn't come from nothing and that the only alternative will be considered speculation because there is no proof.
:biglaugh:And theists are in denial. It seems they are more right, ironically.

What I'm saying is you have no testable evidence to substantiate your claim. It's speculation and you know it. Trying to get others here to sip your kool aid doesn't work.

I even provided a step by step fundamental aspect on why it is so. Whatever lol I have no need to be on this thread any longer.

All based on mere speculation.....but it's OK to leave with head hanging low and tail tucked between legs.....We've come to expect this from you and others who make baseless claims.....but I suspect you won't stay away too long. You yearn to display your ignorance of the Scientific Method.

Now like always, post a 100 reasons why I'm wrong, each conisting of the same stupid reason.

Only one reason why is needed....."You don't know that you don't know".....

 

[angellous_evangellous]

For the same reason we don't allow people to perjure themselves in court. If it's speculation then it's useless unless it is then corroborated by evidence.

I disagree that speculation is useless.

I'm an historian, and in most cases we can't produce a perfectly logical argument because we don't have all the evidence. Sometimes the evidence is almost complete and sometimes it's inherently fragmentary.

Speculation is good because it allows us to use our imagination to try and figure out what happened in the past. Speculation is only useful, however, to the degree that it relates to logical arguments based on the evidence -- AND they MUST be open to revision as more evidence comes to light.

 

[Willamena]

And how is speculation wrong when it's the only possibility?

I mean seriously, some of you have been so brainwashed by science that your intellect suffers.
You are saying that the universe didn't come from nothing and that the only alternative will be considered speculation because there is no proof.
:biglaugh:And theists are in denial. It seems they are more right, ironically.

I even provided a step by step fundamental aspect on why it is so. Whatever lol I have no need to be on this thread any longer.

Believe it or not, being the only possibility doesn't make something true.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Believe it or not, being the only possibility doesn't make something true.

(Or rather, the only possibility that he can think of... in light of a quite below elementary education on the subjects)

 

[Willamena]

Atheists: If there's no God, then where did the world come from?

No God. (It's a trick question.)

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I disagree that speculation is useless.

I'm an historian, and in most cases we can't produce a perfectly logical argument because we don't have all the evidence. Sometimes the evidence is almost complete and sometimes it's inherently fragmentary.

Speculation is good because it allows us to use our imagination to try and figure out what happened in the past. Speculation is only useful, however, to the degree that it relates to logical arguments based on the evidence -- AND they MUST be open to revision as more evidence comes to light.

I agree...but I think pure speculation without (any) evidence is useless...which is why I said ("useless unless it is then corroborated by evidence.")....

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I agree...but I think pure speculation without (any) evidence is useless...which is why I said (" useless unless it is then corroborated by evidence.")....

I wasn't sure the level of corroboration that you had in mind.

When the evidence is fragmentary, several speculations can be presented that are of relatively equal value with respect to the corraboration by evidence. Such speculation would therefore be unacceptable in court, but nevertheless valuable in history and philosophy.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Even Einstein believed in a god and he believed in a static universe.

:sarcastic

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

Originally Posted by Albert Einstein
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.



A 'personal' god.

All these desperate attempts to try and overthrow every little detail I submit. You atheists.. .. . ..don't talk about generalizations anymore either.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

:sarcastic

Another Einstien fail.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

A 'personal' god.

When was the last time you even admitted to yourself that you were wrong about something??

 

[angellous_evangellous]

:sarcastic

hahahah - should we tell him about Einstien's "static universe"? :biglaugh:

 

[RitalinO.D.]

And how is speculation wrong when it's the only possibility?

I mean seriously, some of you have been so brainwashed by science that your intellect suffers.
You are saying that the universe didn't come from nothing and that the only alternative will be considered speculation because there is no proof.
:biglaugh:And theists are in denial. It seems they are more right, ironically.

I even provided a step by step fundamental aspect on why it is so. Whatever lol I have no need to be on this thread any longer.

Do you seriously think that everyone on here (minus one person who is widely considered a crackpot) disagrees with you and your opinions simply because you are a creationist and atheists hate creationists? How deluded do you have to be before you wake up and realize that maybe, just maybe you are the one thats wrong? I'm not even saying you need to accept that your wrong. Just imagine for a second, the possibility. If you can't do that, then you are so indoctrinated with illogical ideas that there is no saving you.

You really are wasting your time if you have any intentions of converting anyone here, or even convincing anyone that you have a valid opinion. Just as anyone else here is wasting their time trying to make you see that the only thing you have is baseless opinion.

Have you at all thought why every single person disagrees with you? And trust me, it's definitely not because atheists hate creationists. Lots of creationists believe in science and the TOE, a point you are aware of, yet ignore.


Sorry pal, you are just spinning your wheels here. Until you realize this, stop making baseless claims, and insulting people simply because they do not share your views, you will get nowhere on this forum.

And stop saying you are done with this, or any other thread. Everyone knows this is a lie.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

All these desperate attempts to try and overthrow every little detail I submit. You atheists.. .. . ..don't talk about generalizations anymore either.

They'll stop talking details / generalizations when you stop making stuff up.