I guess I did, but I do not believe in souls or atmans.
Our essence is material, mental and emotional. And it is very much dependent on education, example, and circunstances, at least when it comes to what we seek.
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Atheists: What if?
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I guess I did, but I do not believe in souls or atmans.
Our essence is material, mental and emotional. And it is very much dependent on education, example, and circunstances, at least when it comes to what we seek.
I think you are exagerating the difference between genders.
I realize if you see it black or white I have to agree with you that some people "hate having to be restrained by others expectations" if it is ALL the time. In other words all the time retrained only very sick people would personally accept. So if the question is either/or then you are right imo.
But I am duelist so there are people who choose to restrain themselves for other's expectations in degrees. I am sure it is what most Christians and Muslims do. Isn't it exactly what reliigon teaches? If your view was true I don't know how religion can exist in that atmosphere.
But I am duelist so there are people who choose to restrain themselves for other's expectations in degrees. I am sure it is what most Christians and Muslims do. Isn't it exactly what reliigon teaches? If your view was true I don't know how religion can exist in that atmosphere.
adi2d
Active Member
Admit it luis
You looooove hitler
You want to beeee hitler
You want to have his babies
This is bizzaro thread isn't it? We just make s#*@ up and write nonsense
I can't make up my mind whether it is the way I word the ideas...
Most people have the problem of wording leading to misunderstanding. I guess, even God.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
As a woman I'm calling that the BULL that it is!
I do not crave servitude!
Some women in PATRIARCHAL religions are taught to serve men, or the group, to go to heaven, and so, try to follow such ideas, - however, even the MAJORITY of them don't actually believe that!
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Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
No. It's not. What you're saying is very clear, and I totally understand.
Those who don't get it just won't bother pay attention and wants to misconstrue your views to create a false dilemma in your words. They're under the spell of the propaganda spirit. Possessed by the demon of solipsism. Nothing makes sense to them, simply because they don't want it to make sense.
There's been quite a lot of people just as bad or worse than Hitler. Not saying that he wasn't bad, but he wasn't alone. We all carry good and bad sides, and Hitler wasn't any different, but some fuse blew in his brain at some point, and his insanity went unchecked.
Just take the Spanish Inquisition for instance. Do Christians really think that's a glorious and excusable episode in their history? They like to have a million excuses for what they "misinterpreted" the Bible, but it's still a fact that this was a large religio-political campaign, not very different than Hitler's. So do these Christians love Ferdinand II of Aragon?
I think you don't know what people believe. Anyway we are not talking about servitude as a way of life. It is about decision making. There are many women happy to let the men in their lives decide things for them. Not ALL things.
I prefer a relationship where I don't have to decide everything. In fact I do not like to have to choose anything.
Haha Wrong! I understand that everyone has the potential to do wickedness but that is not what I was disagreeing with. HE SAID Hitler had the same hopes and dreams as everyone. REALLY?
That's not a valid characterisation. There are many men happy to let other men decide for them.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
what about theists? Afaik most theists don't have undeniable proof..
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Ingledsva said:
See above! Same reply!
This idea that women are "receivers" and "givers of self" and nothing more, - has been brainwashed into women for the last several thousand years - by patriarchy!
It is pure BULL!
The fact that you believe it - and give up your rights to life choices, to a male, - does NOT in any way mean the rest of us believe in that!
I would never give up my right to be in the debate - about life's choices - to a male,
just as no male gives up his right to be in the debate - about life's choices - to a female.
EDIT - And where does it say women "crave servitude" in the Bible?
As far as I know there is only ONE "story" of a woman PUNISHED for her actions - to -
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
That says NOTHING about any other woman, - nor any women CRAVING SERVITUDE!
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Yes but I don't know what men think because I am not one. I try to talk about stuff I think i know about.
Calm down for goodness sake!
Has she not let him rule over her for how many thousands of years? If women didn't like it, believe me, it would have changed a long time ago.
Don't you think?
I didn't say she gave up her right to make life's important choices as in who to marry, her religion and raising her children.
Do you have a mate? Do you make all the choices? Do you like when he (or she) chooses? What if you had to choose everything in a partnership, would you be happy with that? I wouldn't. I'd hate to say I know about what men think but I think most men would be OK with making all the chooses. I don't know any woman but you who might like it.
If it was he chooses always or I choose always I'd choose him to choose.
Someone says man is the head of woman and that is God's arrangement. I know you don't like that but if it's true and women don't like it, then God is woman's worst enemy.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
NO IT IS NOT TRUE!
Patriarchal males write religions that allow them to do all the horrible things they want to do to women!
Own women! Torture and murder for non-compliance! Rape! Sex Slaves! Rape of War-slaves! Rape of children!
Religions that allow these things - are not in any way from ANY GOD!
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I agree with you. I was referencing this one: But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God 1 Corinthians 11:3
I believe that is true. If women hate being subject to men's headship then God is not fair to women. But I really think some woman are fine with it. They are not fine with it because they have no choice but to be fine with it. They are actually fine with it. Not 100% of the time you see. I was arguing his "this is the way it is". It isn't.
If my husband ordered me off forum, I'd be fine with that. Some things I am not OK with. It is why a woman should be free to choose her mate. I chose well.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Ingledsva said:
If you agree, - then why do you go on to quote another patriarchal verse from the same patriarchal religion, - that is obviously NOT from any God?
EDIT - Forgot to add that the "new" verse does not say women "crave servitude" either!
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Religion isn't the same as truth. I believe in truth. Every part of the Bible that I think I understand is the truth. Truth does not equal goodness. I agree any religion or society that subjugates women is bad. My point was some women love men who know how to take control, not for bad but for good.
Now I forget what he said that took me away on this tangent. Maybe (OK, probably) I haven't even hit the target.