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Atheists: What if?

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RichardParker

Member
Shuttlecraft said:
An atheist would never accept any type of proof of God's existence..:)

An atheist falls over a cliff at night and grabs a tree halfway down and begins calling for help.
A beautiful golden glow lights up the whole scene and choirs of sweetly-singing angels float around.
Then a mighty voice booms out from above- "Take my hand and I will save thee my son!"
"Who are you?" asks the atheist.
"I am the Lord Almighty" replies the voice, "the Alpha and the Omega, Lord of all Creation!"
"HELP HELP" yells the atheist, "IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE UP THERE??"
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Yeah, right...
And because we wouldn't accept it either way, the best course of action for your deity is to not present any evidence in the first place. This sounds reasonable!

I tell you what, if any such thing as you describe here would actually happen, I might be inclined to believe in him. And if he existed, he wouldn't even need to wait until I've fallen from a cliff, he could do this right here, right now...

But what you do here is like me saying:
"I can fly! But you wouldn't believe it, even if I showed it to you, so I'm not going to show you either way!"
Lame excuse.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Shuttlecraft said:
An atheist would never accept any type of proof of God's existence..:)

An atheist falls over a cliff at night and grabs a tree halfway down and begins calling for help.
A beautiful golden glow lights up the whole scene and choirs of sweetly-singing angels float around.
Then a mighty voice booms out from above- "Take my hand and I will save thee my son!"
"Who are you?" asks the atheist.
"I am the Lord Almighty" replies the voice, "the Alpha and the Omega, Lord of all Creation!"
"HELP HELP" yells the atheist, "IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE UP THERE??"
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Meh...nice try, but it's still not as funny as Ray Comfort explaining how he knows God is real because bananas were so perfectly created for human consumption.

(the point being that claiming atheists won't accept any proof is about as valid as claiming that theists WILL accept any 'proof')
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Shuttlecraft said:
An atheist would never accept any type of proof of God's existence..:)

An atheist falls over a cliff at night and grabs a tree halfway down and begins calling for help.
A beautiful golden glow lights up the whole scene and choirs of sweetly-singing angels float around.
Then a mighty voice booms out from above- "Take my hand and I will save thee my son!"
"Who are you?" asks the atheist.
"I am the Lord Almighty" replies the voice, "the Alpha and the Omega, Lord of all Creation!"
"HELP HELP" yells the atheist, "IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE UP THERE??"
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Sounds like a reasonable characterization of atheists to me. That is, if by "reasonable" one means "******* silly".
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
savagewind said:
What if you witnessed undeniable proof God exists. Would you hide it?
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Nope. I am not emotionally or psychologically invested in the existence or non-existence of god, so being wrong about that wouldn't be a bruise to my ego or an embarrassment or anything. I can't think of any other reason someone would hide evidence of god. If I had good evidence I'm sure I'd talk about it from time to time. I'm an open book.

I wouldn't preach or try to convince others though. That's just rude. And I don't think it would change my life much. I would go from being a person who is disinterested in a god who doesn't exist to being disinterested in a god who exists. Kind of like how I feel about the royals. I know they exist but they rarely pop into my head.
 
Triumphant_Loser

Triumphant_Loser

Libertarian Egalitarian
lewisnotmiller said:
Meh...nice try, but it's still not as funny as Ray Comfort explaining how he knows God is real because bananas were so perfectly created for human consumption.

(the point being that claiming atheists won't accept any proof is about as valid as claiming that theists WILL accept any 'proof')
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I can think of a few other places Ray Comfort could have perfectly fit that banana.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
savagewind said:
I can think of only one proof. But I think anyone's perceived proof including mine too is personal.

One day you enter a trance state. In it you see what your day will be another day. When the day comes everything that happened to you in the trance state of that day happens just like in the trance. Is it God? I think you would hide the happening. Why do I think so? It is not proof to anyone else. It is for You.
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Funnily enough that actually happened to me. It never even crossed my mind that a deity was somehow involved. In my world view, deities have no explanatory power. My musings on the cause of the experience went along the lines of quantum physics, the bend nature of spacetime, the more mysterious aspects of consciousness, psychology, etc. And of course I am comfortable with the idea that it didn't even happen as I remember it, although I think it did.

I talk about it, just not all the time with everyone. I talk about such experiences when it's relevant to the conversations I'm having and I think the person I'm talking to might find it interesting.
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Alceste said:
Funnily enough that actually happened to me. It never even crossed my mind that a deity was somehow involved. In my world view, deities have no explanatory power. My musings on the cause of the experience went along the lines of quantum physics, the bend nature of spacetime, the more mysterious aspects of consciousness, psychology, etc. And of course I am comfortable with the idea that it didn't even happen as I remember it, although I think it did.

I talk about it, just not all the time with everyone. I talk about such experiences when it's relevant to the conversations I'm having and I think the person I'm talking to might find it interesting.
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Ditto.

There is no need for explanations of supernatural, magical or telepathic origination unless you've previously been inclined to such ideas by silly talk from other folks.
 
viole

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Shuttlecraft said:
An atheist would never accept any type of proof of God's existence..:)

An atheist falls over a cliff at night and grabs a tree halfway down and begins calling for help.
A beautiful golden glow lights up the whole scene and choirs of sweetly-singing angels float around.
Then a mighty voice booms out from above- "Take my hand and I will save thee my son!"
"Who are you?" asks the atheist.
"I am the Lord Almighty" replies the voice, "the Alpha and the Omega, Lord of all Creation!"
"HELP HELP" yells the atheist, "IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE UP THERE??"
Click to expand...

So, there are atheists in foxholes, after all. For if an atheist stays atheist even when he sees God (and angels) trying to help him from a dangerous situation, then it must be more so in a foxhole where such visions are actually very rare.

I think you guys have to make up your mind.

Ciao

- viole
 
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Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
Willamena said:
Ditto.

There is no need for explanations of supernatural, magical or telepathic origination unless you've previously been inclined to such ideas by silly talk from other folks.
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Yeah, exactly. And rather than seeing God as an easy explanation for mysterious phenomena, I see belief in God as one of the mysterious phenomena that needs explaining.
 
Shuttlecraft

Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
lewisnotmiller said:
..the point being that claiming atheists won't accept any proof is about as valid as claiming that theists WILL accept any 'proof'
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Here's ample proof of divine creative intelligence: NO WAY HOZAY could this exquisite creature have happened by pure random chance-

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Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
viole said:
So, there are atheists in foxholes, after all. For if an atheist stays atheist even when he sees God (and angels) trying to help him from a dangerous situation, then it must be more so in a foxhole where such visions are actually very rare.

I think you guys have to make up your mind.

Ciao

- viole
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It reminds me of the movie, Touching The Void, wherein the climber who is trying
to survive a horrible fall wonders if he'd return to his former faith. He didn't.
He says it around 3:20 in the video. (Great documentary, btw.)
[youtube]nWhmOwGqcMQ[/youtube]
Touching the Void atheism - YouTube
 
The Hammer

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
savagewind said:
What if you witnessed undeniable proof God exists. Would you hide it?
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Depends really on what "undeniable proof" is. And of which god you are talking about. I mean if Zeus jumped off a lightning bolt and proclaimed to the world tha the was real and he was a God, maybe?
 
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