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Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Yeah, yeah. But Baha'is aren't going to believe a lot of those "historical" stories literally. Then, if we read through the several laws, does it really sound like dictated those things to Moses?
Conclusion

The Bahá'í viewpoint proposed by this essay has been established as follows: The Bible is a reliable source of Divine guidance and salvation, and rightly regarded as a sacred and holy book. However, as a collection of the writings of independent and human authors, it is not necessarily historically accurate. Nor can the words of its writers, although inspired, be strictly defined as 'The Word of God' in the way the original words of Moses and Jesus could have been. Instead there is an area of continuing interest for Bahá'í scholars, possibly involving the creation of new categories for defining authoritative religious literature.

A Baháí View of the Bible

Mírza Abú'l-Fadl was praised and recommended by 'Abdu'l-Bahá and has been justifiably called the most learned and erudite Bahá'í scholar[16]

Regarding the Old Testament, Fadl said that it contained two types of teaching: a) revelation from God, such as the 10 commandments of Moses, the Psalms of David and the books of the Prophets, and b) historical information, such as the books Joshua, Samuel, Kings and Chronicles "...which contain no statement, sign or hint of being divine speech and therefore should not be considered as revelation."[17]

Concerning the Book of Christ, he wrote that "The Holy Gospels alone contain teachings which can be regarded as the true Words of God; and these teachings do not exceed the contents of a few pages."[18]

Mírza Abú'l-Fadl's contributions are original and lucid, and appear to me to be in harmony with the understanding of the Bible which is argued for in the present paper.

16. Cole, J.R., in "editor's note", Mírza Abú'l-Fadl, Letters & Essays 1886-1913, Kalimat Press, Los Angeles, 1985, p.xiv.

17. Mírza Abú'l-Fadl in Miracles and Metaphors, Kalimat Press, Los Angeles, 1981, pp.11,12.

18. Mírza Abú'l-Fadl in The Bahá'í Proofs, Bahá'í Publishing Trust, Wilmette, Illinios, 1983, p.220.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Only material things are measurable. God is not a material thing so God is not measurable.
It's hard to imagine a non-material thing that IS measurable.

I know God is immaterial because of scriptures, which are the only way anyone can know anything about God..
The earth is a human man's pretend thesis science.

As his non physical design he discusses is first his built machine not yet manifest.

He takes it out of mass giving him the material a minus God. The minus is part of his non existence of God to own his man's pretend God. Machine first.

As he built the machine out of the dusts of the earth.

However his metal is above ground non existent.

It was existent in an earths pressured cold space seam first.

Cold metal beginnings for a human scientist is only direct to owning space pressure and cold to metals a natural earth state. No space actually just cold of metal.

Where his own human theisms began. As a human practice science.

As he had to manifest build the design machine first.

God in transition not yet anything is a human scientist wisdom only converting earths God mass himself. A dust disappears in his wisdom becoming form converting Sion... fusion.

Now man hurt himself with zero maths womb science fake mother. Fake female.

In balanced human life man plus being with female. A human equal.

Man instead manifested built machine by female maths.

Then reacted machine.

Attacked self by his manifested God maths building.

Said he took a rib out of Gods body.

Earths natural seam metal heated particle inside earth body. Released as radiation.

As he virtually tried to eradicate his machine back to its beginning a dust mineral.

The past vision shown humans standing inside the pyramid with a promise of bio transformation back to spirit. By thin king. The king status.

Ended in seen human combustion a pile of ashes.

The voice male in the vision said don't tell your family.

How is the circumstance not real? Seeing science invented human visionary feedback by machines causes? As men.

Know it's real today Ai terms did new machine atmosphere studies.

Man states with used ownership first.

I am a hu man.
I am a man.
The other being a wo man.

Word user the scientist.

Lucky natural existed in name as the no named God he talks about was first. He theories as a man about God. Was his confession bible why men agreed to change human life on earth.

Why he achieved life's disappearance biolgical by its sacrifice.

Proved he is a liar. Natural life human was first not science.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
So no evidence then just a bare unevidenced claim yet again,
..and that's your catchprase, which in my opinion is total nonsense.
Your idea of what constitutes evidence is deeply flawed.
Mind you, I'm not surprised. You deny many things that are true.
You make up your own version of truth, even if you are not aware of it.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
You simply claim not to believe that the historical accounts are true.


That's not true, and what's more you know it isn't, as you made this false accusation already, and I asked you to quote me saying anything like that. Well can you quote any post of mine remotely claiming this? Or are you going to dishonestly turn your claim into a question again, like last time?

Well look, you resorted to exactly the sophistry I predicted you would, as you did last time you made up a claim I hadn't made. What you have not done is quote me anywhere ever making the straw man claim you assigned to me, obviously because I have never made that claim.

Really?
..so are you an atheist or not?
Which parts of the Bible do you believe are true?

I am an atheist yes.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
Sheldon said:
So no evidence then just a bare unevidenced claim yet again,

..and that's your catchprase, which in my opinion is total nonsense.

Well you're entitled to an opinion, even if it is another bare subjective claim.


Your idea of what constitutes evidence is deeply flawed.

What is my idea of what constitutes evidence, and why is it flawed. You do see you have made yet another bare unevidenced claim don't you?

Mind you, I'm not surprised. You deny many things that are true.

Quote one for me...

You make up your own version of truth, even if you are not aware of it.

Sigh, another bare unevidenced claim, again please do quote an example.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
To demonstrate is to prove, so that would make the Bible not proof of a deity, but the Bible would still be evidence for a deity since evidence is not the same as proof.

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid: https://www.google.com/search

Evidence is anything that you see, experience, read, or are told that causes you to believe that something is true or has really happened. ‘
Objective evidence definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement: https://www.google.com/search
Circular reasoning indicates nothing.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Circular reasoning indicates nothing.
I never said it did, but it might, if the premises could be proven to be true.
Beliefs are not automatically false simply because they are based upon circular reasoning, that is what flies right over the heads of atheists.

Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true. Wikipedia

So here are some perfectly valid circular arguments:

If the premise the Bible is true is true, then the conclusion God exists must be true.

Similarly, if the premise Baha’u’llah was a Messenger of God is true, then the conclusion God exists must be true.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
A human says I am. Human.

Thinks.

Answers I am. Human.

A human thinks about a God in science.

Two topics. Science and God. Is not circular reasoning.

As a human thinking did not invent cause manifest gods O planet or it's heavens.

Not only is it a ludicrous thesis the heavens came out of the earth's volcanic mass.

So as I was vision attacked I saw visions inside earth. Volcanic mass had combusted as the hot dense mass of earths own gas heavens gases in stone. To gases released.

Just empty carbon lined tunnels with water pouring in from ice melt. I saw the result.

Carbon his electricity beginning invented in gods body his thesis.

The combustion of volcanic mass is how he invented earths space contraction collapse. To make O a phi crop circle large constant signal radiated fallout sink hole.

Holding the constant causes the combusted earth mass entombed disappearance. Earth space contraction.

Huge new energetic release earths gods big bang.

Minus one means one minus worse than natural owned. Why God ends up reacting just like science instructed.

God earth my machine thesis first. Self congratulates destroyer answer.
Reason....
Moses never existed it was caused. He however used its data.

Brother science aware says Moses never existed says it differently. Meant to say God never caused Moses the human scientists had.

Dinosaur history said a hot earth heavens gas followed by a huge ice gained reaction.

Moving back in time to dinosaurs cold blood. Humans iron red celled blood destroying itself in irradiated caused.

All life cell blood bone health is iron supported. Not a radiating metal.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
The bible. Uses factored numbers factored only by a human theist.

First proof. Science of men.

Men.

Confu Sion. Fu Sion changed.

A man is any first one self. Lots of the same man as men agreed.

Summation about brother hood of men man of science.

A teaching of a summation causes of evils chosen by men.

Not science by thought or in observation science by machine practice. Effects men caused.

Me a man is a mean person. Man as men agreement.

Comments he meant as it he thought about evil. Evil where he existed thinking however didn't exist.

Only a human thesis can claim nothing. In thought.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Second notified re teaching.

I.e. is J E the example.

I became J in Roman English teaching.

Reason Jehovah prediction.

Ie previous stating the example attack was reproven. One more minus JE.

He...ie...je...by K maths science symbol a held constant. About Phi.

Isis. Mother Egyptian studies produced....I s I s into s ii s as SuS.

ii.melded 2 pillar theme into U. Reaction nuclear.

N North.
U.
Clear. Nuclear thesis.

Thesis taken from heavens clear. God the stone did not own it. Space did the mother. Clear gas not burning.

All science burns to alchemised change. Machine status first.

The teaching diction of M ARY.

Dictionary said sophists using Sophia had caused it. Their worded answer seeing science is a human choice a human thought thesis and a chosen status was M1000ary told us.

You sacrificed the life body of the holy human baby.

As men used a female name in maths a female word told them they did it.

I already owned a half dysfunctional ovary why I already knew.

When I was bodily attacked my womb was hurt also.

Who would listen to me? Not any scientist.

Natural human first.
Holy human parents.
Two holy human babies.

Hurt. As we owned highest life first.

Science today tried to convince us we began as a low life human form claiming I identify self safe but can force family to mutate.

He just happens to be a healthy human first.

Why the church forbade theism. As a healthy human is first before science.

Medical science decision. Biology.
 

lukethethird

unknown member
I cannot explain it because I do not have a clue what would be evidence of God’s existence for an atheist, and apparently the atheists don't have a clue either.
I think some of the atheists here do have a clue as to how believers formulate their beliefs though. Understanding how people formulate beliefs might tell us something about human nature, and why people believe weird things.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Logic. Rational human. Natural first.

What doesn't exist?

Science.

All fully formed self owned any state body in its natural.form. First. Everything is first before human theism.

Created. Owned existing. Creation.

Dawn is between clear non burning into burning. Time the dawn is born everyday says a human.

Yet it never went anywhere.

The human aware said I own dominion. Over everything. Our behaviour depicts the belief. We even name things not on planet earth.

You know first as you are rational and a human that you are not the planet.

You know you are not the heavens either.

Thinking rational thought says any mass type as conjoined mass is in body type. Mass in mass amassed.... a human isn't.

A human also isn't a tree garden.
A human also isn't an animal.

Natural just a self a human.

You eat drink have human sex to gain life continuance.

Life continuance the future of a human in two concepts.

You live get old die.
A baby continues to live past your death.

Basic only term natural advice.

Then if you ask a science theist what strange thoughts did you think...
science is his answer.

If someone said I know how we were created. What purpose does it own?

None whatsoever as we are human first.

If you said to a human I know why you are sick. Let me assess then try to assist healing it's termed medical by conditions.

Medical cannot be used outside it's clause.

Yet you did.

Notice ...
Clause and December new birth.

Teaching. I know why human life cell body changed. Said medical advice.

DNA genesis shows it identity.

As sex the newly born baby life DNA was damaged born changed in nuclear science causes pyramid temple.

Firstborn babies deceased gone they said observed.

Two new born status. To teach why.

Ice returns renewed end of each year balances hot summer cooling it.

As ice as gods saviour is its owned earth body.

Hence the first strange reasoning is introduced why. Ice rebirth end of year.

Ice melted so floods and bad atmospheric storms were seen. Gods body sacrificed. Earths.

It was known direct cause. Man was converting god earths mass himself.

In Japan heating atmosphere and huge storms caused the nuclear status to change. Meltdown overheating.

So strange ideas.......tell why.

How did a human understand nuclear converting?

It occurred without a power plant cooling system. On the ground.

So nature endured the attack first.

Therefore it is very strange behaviour for a human to think a machine application was safe. In modern times. As nature is first and said it wasn't.

Strange behaviour was the human theists.

Modern humans claim evolved higher intelligence is contrary to a human belief in science.
 
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