Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[Truthseeker]

The Bible is the primary reason there are atheists. Who would want to believe in a God that did all the stuff that was delineated in the Old Testament?

It is part of the reason, certainly. I've seen some what you have seen.

 

[Truthseeker]

They don't play these baby games on the other forum I am on. The owner is a hard atheist but he does not allow people to be rude and insulting, no matter what they believe or disbelieve.

Are you referring to BUE forum and YG?

 

[Trailblazer]

Are you referring to BUE forum and YG?

Yes. I did not want to tell you I went back there, but so far I have been treated with dignity and respect.
It is only John Doe who heckles me, but only if I mention religion.
It was Anna who got me to go back there because she called me on the phone and made me think of those forums.

 

[Truthseeker]

Yes. I did not want to tell you I went back there, but so far I have been treated with dignity and respect.
It is only John Doe who heckles me, but only if I mention religion.
It was Anna who got me to go back there because she called me on the phone and made me think of those forums.

Watch out for a fall later. You are so willing to forgive that in the past you have regretted going there when you went back. I can't tell what to do, you have your own agency. Just watch out and be careful. I am beginning to remember John Doe with my dim memory. What about Dotsman? Do you avoid talking to him about God? Is there a separate folder for Baha'i like before?

 

[Trailblazer]

Watch out for a fall later. You are so willing to forgive that in the past you have regretted going there when you went back. I can't tell what to do, you have your own agency. Just watch out and be careful. I am beginning to remember John Doe with my dim memory. What about Dotsman? Do you avoid talking to him about God? Is there a separate folder for Baha'i like before?

I forgave what happened with YG in the past and I am not going to repeat what I did in the past so I do not expect a repeat of that. That is what Terry thought I would do but now he is seeing I am not going to do it.

I did not go back there to talk about Baha'i. I am tired of talking about religion. I still like to talk about God though and atheists like to talk about God.

Yes, I am talking to Dotsman again, but we are starting out on a better footing because I am different now so I respond differently which avoids the same old arguments. I guess I am the eternal optimist because I never give up hope on anyone. I imagine him dying the way he believes now and that keeps me posting to him. There is also another new atheist there who likes posting to me and even though he is very antagonistic I do not respond in kind so that changes the tone.

 

[Truthseeker]

You have 319 posts there at BUE so far. I looked. Pretty harmless at first, then old patterns started to emerge, then I couldn't keep up. Lot of names I now remember, like Ishmael, Rebeccah among the more reasonable ones. Terry, too, but I don't remember what he is even like anymore. Long absence, and the same old characters.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why worship? How come just knowing, and loving him isn't good enough; why would a God in need of nothing, feel a need to create people to worship him?

subordinate: lower in rank or position

This seems to be the stumbling block for most people. They don't like to feel inferior to others.
The worship of G-d implies our inferiority. Many of mankind think they are independent and have no need to be "told what to do".
They will come to know, but the wise will try to avoid the consequences of mankind's arrogance.

In Islam 'worship' is not confined to praying and singing.
It includes those things that G-d has ordained as lawful, such as earning one's living, eating, sport and sexual relations with one's spouse.

 

[Trailblazer]

You have 319 posts there at BUE so far. I looked. Pretty harmless at first, then old patterns started to emerge, then I couldn't keep up. Lot of names I now remember, like Ishmael, Rebeccah among the more reasonable ones. Terry, too, but I don't remember what he is even like anymore. Long absence, and the same old characters.

Yes, it is the same old posters with a couple of new ones mixed in. Terry is the moderator who gets on my case but he is okay after he sees I am not talking about my religion! Ace was there about a week ago but he has disappeared again. He is an agnostic who says God probably exists but does not like religion or Messengers...I like him and his humor.

 

[Kfox]

subordinate: lower in rank or position

This seems to be the stumbling block for most people. They don't like to feel inferior to others.
The worship of G-d implies our inferiority.

You're right; that is a stumbling block; a big one. I have too much respect for myself to attempt a relationship with someone who would demand I grovel at his feet in a way that I wouldn't even ask of my dog. No thank-you; I don't think it would be a good idea to get to know your God.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I have too much respect for myself..

..so you don't consider anybody is worthy of your respect?
What about your mother and father?

What about children? Would you want them to respect you?

I would rather live in a world where there is respect for G-d and others.
You are entitled to live in your idea of what is "cool".

 

[Daniel Nicholson]

You will not and can not give the kind of evidence we want. The evidence you give is so refutable that it is barely worth mentioning at all.
Even if you prove deism is true, you still have all your work ahead of you, because for theism you then need to prove that God cares about what I eat, who i sleep with and in what position, where I go to school, how much of my penis I should shave off, what days of the week I should work, how well my football team is doing... the list goes on.

 

[Kfox]

..so you don't consider anybody is worthy of your respect?
What about your mother and father?

My parents love me too much to ask me to do something like that. I don't respect people by groveling at their feet... do you?

 

[Sheldon]

Perhaps God has issues and has a hard time coping.

Well according to the ten commandments this deity needed the first 4 just to unequivocally emphasise how much it needed the sycophantic and saccharine worship of its pets. If that were a fallible human I'd be deeply concerned, as it is it portrays an appalling narcissistic temperament.

 

[Sheldon]

Everyone can understand the Scriptures if they set their minds to it.

Sorry but that is a demonstrably false claim. There are currently over 45000 Christian denominations alone. Do all these denominations understand the bible the same, and the in the same way Jews and Muslims understand it? The idea is preposterous sorry, it is a giant book of multiple choice, and as well as containing errant nonsense, it also has many contradictions.

 

[Missglenda]

Whenever I say that Messengers of God are the evidence of God’s existence atheists say “that’s not evidence.”

So if “that’s not evidence” what would be evidence of God’s existence?

If God existed, where would we get the evidence? How would we get it?

As I see it there are only three possibilities:

1. God exists and there is evidence so we should look for the evidence.
2. God exists but there is no evidence so there is nothing to look for.
3. God does not exist and that is why there is no evidence.

I believe (1) God exists and there is evidence, because if there was no evidence God could not hold humans accountable for believing in Him. Why would God expect us to believe He exists and provide no evidence? That would be unfair as well as unreasonable.

 

[Missglenda]

The existence of everything is proof of (The supreme being) God to me. This may seem confusing to some but it makes sense to me.
I don’t believe The supreme being has any connection to us and because of that there’s no way we can prove it’s existence physically or mentally.

 

[Sheldon]

The existence of everything is proof of (The supreme being) God to me. This may seem confusing to some but it makes sense to me.
I don’t believe The supreme being has any connection to us and because of that there’s no way we can prove it’s existence physically or mentally.

You just asserted that everything is proof for a deity, and then said there is no way to prove it's existence physically or mentally, in the same post?

In logic a basic principle is that an assertion cannot be both rational and contradict itself, it's called the law of non contradiction.

 

[Missglenda]

You just asserted that everything is proof for a deity, and then said there is no way to prove it's existence physically or mentally, in the same post?

In logic a basic principle is that an assertion cannot be both rational and contradict itself, it's called the law of non contradiction.

What I meant was, If you take away everything that it’s created or helped to create, you won’t be able to prove it’s existence because we humans have no connection to it.

 

[Sheldon]

What I meant was, If you take away everything that it’s created or helped to create, you won’t be able to prove it’s existence because we humans have no connection to it.

Sorry but you have now switched to a begging the question fallacy, where you are simply assuming your conclusion in your initial premise.

When you say "everything that it’s created" you need to demonstrate sufficient objective evidence for this, not just assume it without even the pretence of evidence, then use that assumption to draw the same conclusion, that a deity created everything. That's the fallacy, and of course irrational by definition. Assuming you care to make rational arguments of course? This is a choice...

 

[CG Didymus]

how well my football team is doing..

Why does God hate the Seahawks? They were right there at the goal set up to win their second Super Bowl and God took it from them and gave it to Tom Brady. Why? Why? And to this day, God is still punishing them. Did they forget to thank him for one of their touchdowns? I don't know. But now, they need a miracle, Lord. Can you forgive them for whatever they did to **** you off and at least them beat the Cardinals?