Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[Sheldon]

I believe or I know is not a claim,

Of course they are.

It is simply a statement about what I believe and what I know.

claim
verb

1. state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.

So a claim then.

It is a statement of my own certitude

claim
verb

1. state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.

Seriously this is just more and more embarrassing, I am also at a loss as to why you took this ludicrous and errant stance in the first place.

 

[samtonga43]

No. A belief is not a claim. A belief is mental acceptance of a claim as truth.

Exactly. You claim (verb) that your belief (noun) is true.

 

[Sheldon]

A belief is not a claim. A belief is mental acceptance of a claim

Oh... your... god!!!

 

[Trailblazer]

Do you know the difference between objective and subjective truth?

What is an example of a objective truth?

Mathematical and Physical Laws are also objective truths in given circumstances. For example the Speed of Light in a vacuum is 299,792,458 meters per second is an objective truth.

What are some objective truths in the universe? What makes each of ...
https://www.quora.com › What-are-some-objective-truths-...

What is a subjective truth?

A subjective truth is a truth based off of a person's perspective, feelings, or opinions. Everything we know is based off of our input - our senses, our perception.Sep 30, 2011

Subjective Truth - Questions | AskPhilosophers.org

An objective truth is something that can be proven true and is thus factual whereas a subjective truth cannot be proven true, it can only be believed to be true. However, lack of proof does not mean it is not true since proof is not what MAKES anything true. Proof is just what people want in order to know if something is true, but we do not always get what we want, and in the case of God, we are not going to get proof unless God offers proof. God has chosen not to offer proof, only evidence, and that is why there is no proof that God exists..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What is subjective and objective evidence?

Subjective evidence is evidence that we cannot evaluate. In fact, we have two choices; to accept what somebody says or reject it. ... Objective evidence is evidence that we can examine and evaluate for ourselves.
Objective evidence - definition and meaning - Market ...

We can examine and evaluate the evidence for the Baha'i Faith for ourselves thus it is objective evidence.

Really? Why then are you submitting thousands of posts to many threads on many forums?

I said: It is none of your business what I believe. It is also none of your business how many posts I submit.
Why would it be your business how many posts I submit or what I believe?

I have answered these questions.

No, you have not answer my questions. You have your own beliefs, and if you are confident that they are true why you keep bring up MY BELIEFS, over and over and over again?

 

[Trailblazer]

Exactly. You claim (verb) that your belief (noun) is true.

Talk is cheap. Show me where I ever claimed that my belief is true.
Please provide the posts and post numbers.

 

[Trailblazer]

Seriously this is just more and more embarrassing,

and you are the one who should be embarrassed because you cannot even understand the difference between a belief and a claim even though that difference is splattered all over the internet to read about.

As nouns the difference between claim and belief is that claim is a demand of ownership made for something (eg claim ownership, claim victory) while belief is mental acceptance of a claim as truth regardless of supporting or contrary empirical evidence.

What is the difference between claim and belief? | WikiDiff

I make no claims. Baha'u'llah made claims and I accepted His claims as truth.

 

[Sheldon]

Show me where I ever claimed that my belief is true.

You don't think your belief is true?

 

[Sheldon]

you are the one who should be embarrassed because you cannot even understand the difference between a belief and a claim even though that difference is splattered all over the internet to read about.

I was using the definitions you used in your own post.

 

[Sheldon]

Talk is cheap. Show me where I ever claimed that my belief is true.

Belief:
1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.

 

[samtonga43]

I make no claims. Baha'u'llah made claims and I accepted His claims as truth.

In that case his claims become your claims.

 

[samtonga43]

Talk is cheap. Show me where I ever claimed that my belief is true. Please provide the posts and post numbers.

I will. I have a note of some examples on this thread and some on another. But I am not finished searching yet...

*Edit to add that I've just seen one up there --- #5329

 

[samtonga43]

What is an example of a objective truth?
What is a subjective truth?
A subjective truth is a truth based off of a person's perspective, feelings, or opinions. Everything we know is based off of our input - our senses, our perception.Sep 30, 2011

Can you tell me, Tb, in your own words, whether the following statement is a subjective truth or an objective truth
"It is always wrong to torture a baby".
?

We can examine and evaluate the evidence for the Baha'i Faith for ourselves thus it is objective evidence

.
But not objective truth. My question was "Do you know the difference between objective and subjective truth?"
You have committed the Red Herring Fallacy! Shame on you!!.

I said: It is none of your business what I believe. It is also none of your business how many posts I submit. Why would it be your business how many posts I submit or what I believe?

That depends on what you mean by 'your business' in the context of a discussion on belief and lack of belief.
I'm reading and posting on this forum, where you have probably thousands of posts on what you believe, but
you say that these posts are none of my business. You are making no sense, Tb.

No, you have not answer my questions. You have your own beliefs, and if you are confident that they are true why you keep bring up MY BELIEFS, over and over and over again?

Once again: this is a discussion board, my friend. This thread is about belief. Have you not noticed?

 

[Trailblazer]

You don't think your belief is true?

I think my belief is true but I don't claim my belief is true.

Think: have a particular opinion, belief, or idea about someone or something.
think meaning - Google Search

Claim: state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
claim meaning - Google Search

 

[Trailblazer]

Trailblazer said: ↑
Talk is cheap. Show me where I ever claimed that my belief is true.

Trailblazer said: ↑
Belief:
1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.

A belief is not a claim. One can accept something as true and not claim it is true.
I never made any claims. I only shared my beliefs.

 

[Trailblazer]

In that case his claims become your claims.

Talk about illogical. If His claims became my claims then I would be a Messenger of God!

I have nothing to claim since I did not do anything that is claim-worthy.
I have shared my beliefs, that is all I ever did.

 

[Trailblazer]

I will. I have a note of some examples on this thread and some on another. But I am not finished searching yet...

*Edit to add that I've just seen one up there --- #5329

Trailblazer said: ↑
Talk is cheap. Show me where I ever claimed that my belief is true.

Trailblazer said: ↑
Belief:
1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.

A belief is not a claim. One can accept something as true and not claim it is true.
I never made any claims. I only shared my beliefs.

 

[Trailblazer]

That depends on what you mean by 'your business' in the context of a discussion on belief and lack of belief. I'm reading and posting on this forum, where you have probably thousands of posts on what you believe, but you say that these posts are none of my business. You are making no sense, Tb.

I did not say "these posts are none of my business."
I said "It is none of your business what I believe. It is also none of your business how many posts I submit."

Definition of none of your business
—used to say that something is private information and should not be asked about "Who did you vote for?" "That's none of your business."
None of your business Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

Once again: this is a discussion board, my friend. This thread is about belief. Have you not noticed?

If this is a discussion board, why aren't you discussing anything?

discussion: the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.
discussion mean - Google Search

I asked:
You have your own beliefs, and if you are confident that they are true why you keep bring up MY BELIEFS, over and over and over again?

Instead of answering my question you deflected because you cannot answer my question without getting egg all over your face.

So, why do you keep bringing up MY BELIEFS? You are not even discussing them, you are just harping on why I should not have them.

 

[Sheldon]

I think my belief is true but I don't claim my belief is true.

You're not sure?

A belief is not a claim.

A belief if the affirmation of a claim, when one asserts to believe something that is a claim.

One can accept something as true and not claim it is true.

One can, but you have claimed to believe things are true.

I never made any claims. I only shared my beliefs.

Same thing.

 

[Trailblazer]

You're not sure?

I am sure.

 

[Sheldon]

Show me where I ever claimed that my belief is true.

You don't think your belief is true?

I think my belief is true but I don't claim my belief is true.

You're not sure?

I am sure.