Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[Trailblazer]

I'm asking you. Do you think that kind of an answer from a Baha'i would make a person in another religion feel as if their religion and beliefs are understood and respected by Baha'is?

I do not come to forums to coddle people, but I an not rude. I respect everyone, no matter what they believe or disbelieve, and people know that. And I just tell the truth about what Baha'is believe as per what Baha'u'llah wrote.

I'm asking you. Do you think that people from other religions care if Baha'is understand their religions? I have not seen that demonstrated. This is something that you are projecting onto other people.

Then there is... "It is only YOU who complains because you think that Baha'is are responsible to help you learn about the older religions, but we aren't."

In my opinion that's a horrible thing for a Baha'i to say. You know what I'm saying.

I do know what you are saying and YOU are the one who is calling Baha'is (mainly me) horrible, I am not calling anyone horrible. In my opinion you are projecting what you feel onto me and you are angry because I won't do what you want me to do, explain all the prophecies and all the religions to you.

If you mention prophecies, then you should have the knowledge about that prophecy and the religion that it came from. If you don't, then stop saying that they have been "fulfilled". You mention the other religions, then you should know something about them. If you don't and don't care, then stop mentioning them.

Who mentions other religions? Who mentions prophecies? YOU, constantly. I do not mention other religions and if I mention prophecies I always back up why I believe they were fulfilled.

You aren't helping me learn anything about the other religions.

Why should I? Give me one good reason why I should. Who don't you ask the believers in those religions about their religions? They are the ones who should know about their religions.

If you don't know that's one thing, but if Baha'u'llah failed to mention two of the major religions in the world, then the problem is with him.

A problem with Baha'u'llah Why should He have mentioned two older religions that no longer apply to this age?

And now his fallible followers are supposed to figure out how Hinduism and Buddhism ties in with the Baha'i Faith and the other Abrahamic religions?

Baha'is have no need to figure out how Hinduism and Buddhism ties in with the Baha'i Faith and the other Abrahamic religions. That is YOUR GIG, not ours, but you keep trying to make it a Baha'i responsibility.

 

[rational experiences]

Give up your title.

Just be a human and quote I am an equal human with O earths God.

And mean it.

Then look.at the equal human and observe all wrong humans.

The listing is huge. No longer equal.

Status O earth owned everything as the planet.

Nature's garden our food supply.

Water to drink. Basic. No other intention of a thinker is acceptable.

No titles. Equal is the reality....

A human owning two body experiences.

Basic truth no lying allowed.

Not lying is humans spirituality.

Earth O the planet owned it's own heavens cold gas both places body O earth and heavens.

Alight gas heavens sun attack voiding by space. Why earth still exists and was not blown apart as other suns had caused.

History bodies in space O.

No argument allowed you are only human.

So humans got together and agreed. We must implement telling the truth only. On a shut bible. No science quotes allowed.

Chosen. The bible was inferred. It being shut swearing an oath real.

History of a humans life.

Bible now read from again. Re opened for lying coercion. Pretty basic human advice...science.

O earth is a planet self formed. No human owns it. Do stop lying.

Your theist human does not own why a planet heavens sits in space either. Another lie.

Water created in space is water itself and water by mass content.

Also not humans history.

Basic God advice planet earth as a human science observation. Science to discuss any subject of a humans choice.

Talking does not give ownership. It is implying human wisdom exists to define stories. Sciences first human status. Stories only.

A storyteller human is also a coercer in the use of a story. Depends on human followers to believe the story to allow the story to be supported told.

Does not give any story credence.

Basic human life is basic first. The reason life is no longer lived equally is due to earths body change. And earths heavens gas change.

Life got hurt. Sex brings forth damaged babies. We own our human proof.

Either you agree that you self idolise your own human being or be destroyed once again by science and machine.

 

[Daniel Nicholson]

My human father is biological just like my life.

He had sex with my biological mother.

Mother owns the ovary a female human. No father ever owned any ovary. Your history mind state is incomplete. As a self memory human.

His baby man's changed the ovary to reform his life. Human man.

So men once said my holy human mother only.

Now men possessed by science say I am a God...a machine that began with O God planet I named God as a scientist. Theist man human.

Why his brother said in living biology your loss of Dna human only equals a living ape.

I said my theism said my brother. My brother told me as a man a human built God the machine from the dust of the ground. I want to be the machine today warned Stephen Hawking..warned as a real theist brother mind life body genetic loss aware in the sciences.

Not just the natural man changed by mind by cosmic causes of ancient man's science. Biological sacrifice a different conscious aware notification. Ignored as self relevance to always include self presence in any analogy.

Most men don't.

I want to be god the dust. Beginnings of humans man science. Says the thinker as theism took precedence in a man's psyche. The place a machine began.

So he attacked my psyche female with satellite haarp computer A I program. Of which his mind biological as the man life today personally controls. As the human scientist.

Claiming mind control. Let me transmit it and study it to find old machine signals. Gods he says.

Is a human theist man scientist who said to his own man self... if religious idealism about science causes such incorrect thesis then I should give it away.

As such owned thoughts...his owned man presence...his own theisms...as his owned teachings.

As he hears it but in presence biological sex created human is living his own man's experience. Tends to ignore the relevance of his own aware teachings.

Man said possessed by science causes.... I speak on behalf of god O science earth machine first as a theist. Was then mind split given a subliminal feedback psyche who then thought he was God who invented.

By a formula a man theist and machine used. A nothing moment in O earths mass by numbered formula to convert shift energy out of mass.

History...his story God told me how and why. His own man first theist more intelligent more spiritual more innocent higher healthier body. Just a man.

As I got irradiated he sure taught me as my human brother about his scientific God lesson. Scientist. Only I get gods messages rationally. The man in egotism says.

How dare you maths fake mother question my authority. Talking to an irradiated changed human female in natural life science self possessed..

Father human first life biological only. Mother human being first biological only.

Died.

No human exist as sperm was in one body and ovary in another body they owned.

So we babies are virtually living in a past. Created by sex. Knowing the human dies. And we don't die as a God says the psyche. We die as a human.

So brother scientist no human is any God.

I explained why I heard the human scientific machine caused AI effect.

It is a phenomena condition caused by men in science.

One physical being owned no property was natural and never owned the human built machine. Machine as the deity causes conjured reacted in between phenomena manifestations as life gets destroyed attacked in science caused effects.

Why humans said God did evil acts to humans biology. Machine caused status only.

As God the earth in human science is not a machine.

I learnt that an artificial ice melt also not human consciousness displaces living then replaces living by water shift. Mass of.

Causation phenomena in our heavens recorded life human aware shifts it's presence. Communicates back image voice sound displaced by men in science conditions.

All experienced by a living equally owned human being life.

It was a teaching for humans by humans about effects caused to humans in human science.

As no man is God of course I know I don't talk to any machine theism God of man's science.

My father as I live is just my human brother. As long as we live we are mutual life partners. Living..but I heard you by phenomena causes....you men are the only human liars of events as the scientist and theist.

What in God's name are you talking about.

 

[Kfox]

You asked for evidence of why men claim they know God or are God..

No, I asked if your dad had the ability to communicate with God.

 

[Kfox]

You cannot know what the unknowable God would be able to do or what He would do so what you have is just a biased personal opinion whish is based upon what you want.

Based on what I want? How could I actually want something from something that does not exist? I'm just saying if he does not have the ability to speak to us the way you and I speak to each other, you have no business calling his abilities unlimited. Now if he does have the ability but chooses not to, that's different and we can have a different conversation about that.

 

[samtonga43]

What in God's name are you talking about.

NO!! Don't ask that! It may try to tell you,,,

 

[samtonga43]

Based on what I want? How could I actually want something from something that does not exist?

This is one of the many things that Tb just does not understand.

She seems to think that atheists want God to exist. I have no idea why she thinks this way. Maybe she wants to help atheists find this God which some believe is not there, and others do not believe is there.

Maybe she is a Bahai missionary.
Maybe she is a kind of Bahaii Witness, knocking on Forum 'doors' rather than actual doors.
Maybe she worships 'LOGIC' rather than God. She certainly likes logic a whole lot better than she likes God.

Wait! She is perhaps starting a new religion called Logicism or Logicianism. She is the Messenger, and God speaks to her (rationally, of course).

Sorry! Got carried away there...

 

[Trailblazer]

Based on what I want? How could I actually want something from something that does not exist? I'm just saying if he does not have the ability to speak to us the way you and I speak to each other, you have no business calling his abilities unlimited. Now if he does have the ability but chooses not to, that's different and we can have a different conversation about that.

How could God have the ability to speak to us the same way you and I speak to each other given God is not a human? Think about it.

 

[lukethethird]

How could God have the ability to speak to us the same way you and I speak to each other given God is not a human? Think about it.

God is all in your mind, think about that.

 

[Trailblazer]

God is all in your mind, think about that.

Prove it or do not claim it.
If you cannot prove it all you have is a belief.

 

[lukethethird]

Prove it or do not claim it.
If you cannot prove it all you have is a belief.

Prove what, that god exists outside your mind? Good luck with that.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Prove what, that god exists outside your mind? Good luck with that.

It is not hard to do..
If G-d is in my mind as well, then G-d is in multiple minds.
i.e. He is also in minds outside of my own

 

[Trailblazer]

Prove what, that god exists outside your mind? Good luck with that.

No I was not asking you to prove that God exists outside my mind, I was asking you to prove that God only exists inside of my mind.

 

[Sheldon]

Prove it or do not claim it.
If you cannot prove it all you have is a belief.

 

[lukethethird]

No I was not asking you to prove that God exists outside my mind, I was asking you to prove that God only exists inside of my mind.

If I can't prove God exists outside your mind then it can only exist inside your mind, that was easy.

 

[CG Didymus]

It is not hard to do..
If G-d is in my mind as well, then G-d is in multiple minds.
i.e. He is also in minds outside of my own

And religious people put the different concepts of God into a person's mind and tell them what to look for that God is real. Like with some Christians, they lay hands on the person and tell them that the Holy Spirit just filled them and will teach them how to speak in tongues. And it happens, "proving" that God and the Holy Spirit are real. Or that people think it's real and start speaking gibberish.

Does Islam have a sect equivalent to Pentacostal Christians? That seek and experience all sorts of mystical things? And do you believe it is real or all in their heads?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Like with some Christians, they lay hands on the person and tell them that the Holy Spirit just filled them and will teach them how to speak in tongues.

That's all woo.
It reminds me of show business.

..Or that people think it's real and start speaking gibberish

..or somebody starts moving the glass on a ouija board and spells a word or two.

And do you believe it is real or all in their heads?

I believe that satan causes confusion and mischief.

 

[ppp]

Whenever I say that Messengers of God are the evidence of God’s existence atheists say “that’s not evidence.”

So if “that’s not evidence” what would be evidence of God’s existence?

If God existed, where would we get the evidence? How would we get it?

As I see it there are only three possibilities:

1. God exists and there is evidence so we should look for the evidence.
2. God exists but there is no evidence so there is nothing to look for.
3. God does not exist and that is why there is no evidence.

I believe (1) God exists and there is evidence, because if there was no evidence God could not hold humans accountable for believing in Him. Why would God expect us to believe He exists and provide no evidence? That would be unfair as well as unreasonable.

Your expressions of belief if not evidence of a god. It is merely evidence of your belief.

 

[Kfox]

How could God have the ability to speak to us the same way you and I speak to each other given God is not a human? Think about it.

Not being human has nothing to do with it; if God has unlimited ability, that means he has the ability to speak English.

 

[CG Didymus]

That's all woo.
It reminds me of show business.


..or somebody starts moving the glass on a ouija board and spells a word or two.


I believe that satan causes confusion and mischief.

So, Islam, like Christianity, believes in an evil spirit being, Satan. And in Islam when is Satan done away with? 'Cause some Christians believe that happens when Jesus returns. But then there's the Baha'is who don't believe that Satan is real...

The Bahá'í Faith denies the existence of Satan, a devil, or an "evil force." Evil does not have independent existence, but is rather the absence of good, just as darkness is the absence of light and cold is the absence of heat. Just as the sun is the unique source of all life in a solar system, so ultimately is there only one force or power in the universe, the force we call God.

Bahá'u'lláh explained that references to Satan in the Scriptures of earlier religions are symbolic and should not be taken literally. Satan is the personification of man's lower nature which can destroy him if it is not brought into harmony with his spiritual nature.​