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Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?
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samtonga43
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What if.... pigs could fly?
Trailblazer
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So you do not believe that Jesus got communication from God?
Have all these atheists convinced you that Jesus is a nobody and God does not exist?
CG Didymus
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I had several Baha'i friends that were very liberal about their beliefs. They didn't get pushing about the claims of the Baha'i Faith. There focus was on making friends with people of all religions. And that is part of the Baha'is Faith.
On all occasions, association with the followers of other religions offers an opportunity to give expression to that genuine spirit of fellowship that flows from recognition that all of the great religions have come from the one same Source and that diversity of opinion need not be a cause of conflict. – The Universal House of Justice,
Wherefore, O my loving friends! Consort with all the peoples, kindreds and religions of the world with the utmost truthfulness, uprightness, faithfulness, kindliness, good-will and friendliness, that all the world of being may be filled with the holy ecstasy of the grace of Bahá, that ignorance, enmity, hate and rancor may vanish from the world and the darkness of estrangement amidst the peoples and kindreds of the world may give way to the Light of Unity. Should other peoples and nations be unfaithful to you show your fidelity unto them, should they be unjust toward you show justice towards them, should they keep aloof from you attract them to yourselves, should they show their enmity be friendly towards them, should they poison your lives, sweeten their souls, should they inflict a wound upon you, be a salve to their sores. Such are the attributes of the sincere! Such are the attributes of the truthful.
- ‘Abdu’l-Baha
Unfortunately, so much depends on who you meet and talk to. And then, if you catch them on a good day.Wherefore, O my loving friends! Consort with all the peoples, kindreds and religions of the world with the utmost truthfulness, uprightness, faithfulness, kindliness, good-will and friendliness, that all the world of being may be filled with the holy ecstasy of the grace of Bahá, that ignorance, enmity, hate and rancor may vanish from the world and the darkness of estrangement amidst the peoples and kindreds of the world may give way to the Light of Unity. Should other peoples and nations be unfaithful to you show your fidelity unto them, should they be unjust toward you show justice towards them, should they keep aloof from you attract them to yourselves, should they show their enmity be friendly towards them, should they poison your lives, sweeten their souls, should they inflict a wound upon you, be a salve to their sores. Such are the attributes of the sincere! Such are the attributes of the truthful.
- ‘Abdu’l-Baha
By definition; to communicate requires both parties to be able to understand each other. if we do not understand God, then he is not communicating with us.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
If we could all hear from God directly, then why would we need these messengers and their religions. But then I hear how some spiritual people that say we all do have a spiritual/divine part of ourselves that can and does communicate with that divine/spiritual thing that is everywhere and all-knowing and all loving and all those other all's. Also, since some Baha'is have had dreams and visions of Abdul Baha', then God is finding ways to communicate to people. It's just that God has to learn how to stop giving mixed messages.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Communicate: share or exchange information, news, or ideas.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=communicate+means
God could communicate (share information with humans) but they would have no ability to understand what God shared.
Sheldon
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samtonga43
Well-Known Member
So you do not believe that Jesus got communication from God?
Have all these atheists convinced you that Jesus is a nobody and God does not exist?
I believe that Jesus is much, much more than a messenger.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
Therefore, God could not communicate with humans, since God cannot do the impossible. He cannot, for example create a married bachelor, or a square circle.
Again, Logic 101
Going by your definition, if we are unable to understand what he says, information has not been shared nor exchanged.
To communicate with humans is not doing the impossible; I do it all the time!
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
So do I.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That's true.
Tiberius
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And evidence can only be convincing if other people can check it.
And that's why we get others to check. Because they are unlikely to have the same biases as us, so any flaws introduced by our biases can be found and removed.
Oh yes, any belief held for a long timed means the person is "mired."
Every so called prophet has people who claim the same thing. Mr B is not special in that regard.
Is your argument to be based on "What if"s now?
I have yet to see any evidence that Mr B has done it.
Or maybe we can also assume that God is not real.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Why would that be the case?
No, that would only introduce their biases. Sorry you cannot understand this.
So a person should change their belief that they have determined is true just so they won't be mired? Where would that lead, changing beliefs as the seasons change?
They can claim whatever they want but they don't have what Baha'u'llah has to back up their claims.
It is not a what if for me, it is a what if for you and other nonbelievers.
I guess you did not look very far.
That certainly is a choice you can make.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
You miss the point. You accuse others of being mired in their beliefs but fail to see the possibility that the same can be said of you.
And there we have it. Tb admits that God is unable to do certain things, but nevertheless, she will continue to call him omniscient and omnipotent. There's logic for you!!
Irony overload.
Tiberius
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Because if no one else can check it, how do you know your own personal biases haven't lead you to a flawed and incorrect conclusion?
This is a core part of the scientific method. Having people check your work to make sure you haven't made any mistakes is a very good idea.
And stop with your patronizing, "I'm sorry you can't understand this" attitude. The entire scientific community says you are wrong. What is Peer Review? | Wiley
You tell me. You are the one who claimed that me holding the position of atheist since I deconverted from Christianity had left me mired.
And they all say that their prophet of choice has stuff that your Mr B doesn't have.
You once again fail to realise that your faith isn't anything special.
Oh, please don't tell me you are resorting to Pascal's Wager. that's a really weak argument.
People of all religions claim that their holy person of choice has done the things to back up their position, but no one else has. Once again, your belief is nothing special.
It also has the benefit of fitting all the evidence.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
We can think whatever we like.
If we consider it plausible that the world which we live in can evolve without an author for no other reason than "because it could" .. then that is what we believe.