Those things are not sufficient evidence for you that He was a Messenger of God, but they are sufficient evidence for those of us who understand the significance of those things and have thus concluded that He was a Messenger of God.
No, they are not, rationally speaking, evidence for anyone, because the conclusion does not logically follow from the premises.
No, I posted the video only to demonstrate that I have objective facts about Baha'u'llah. I know what you and others have a problem with; you want some other kind of evidence, verifiable evidence, which would constitute proof that Baha'u'llah was a Messenger if God. However there is no such evidence.
Again, not a single one of those objective facts about Mr B lead to the conclusion that he was sent by God.
You still did not answer my question. I have posted this passage to you more than once. Did you even read it and try to understand it? Instead, you keep insisting on your own agenda of peer review. The quote explains why our belief has to be our own subjective opinion, because we alone are responsible to God for our beliefs.
If you admit that it's subjective opinion, why do you try to pass it off as fact?
Also, the purpose of peer review is NOT to remove personal biases.
Yeah, that's just wrong. Let me show you why.
What is the purpose of peer review?
Peer review is designed to assess the validity, quality and often the originality of articles for publication. Its ultimate purpose is
to maintain the integrity of science by filtering out invalid or poor quality articles.
What is Peer Review? | Wiley
https://authorservices.wiley.com › journal-reviewers › wh...
Invalid or poor quality articles... Such as those that have been influenced by the personal biases of the researcher.
What is meant by peer review and why is this important?
Peer review has been defined as a
process of subjecting an author's scholarly work, research or ideas to the scrutiny of others who are experts in the same field. ... The major advantage of a peer review process is that peer-reviewed articles provide a trusted form of scientific communication. Oct 24, 2014
Peer Review in Scientific Publications: Benefits, Critiques, & A ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC4975196
Subjecting it to scrutiny... to spot any case of the researcher's personal biases affecting their work. Make it trusted... So we can trust what we are reading is no affected by the personal biases of the researcher...
Why is it important to have peers review your work?
Managers can use peer reviews as part of a formal review to
give them a better picture of an employee's true strengths and weaknesses. ... Peer reviews can also help managers discover hidden talent — the quiet performers who routinely produce exceptional work without recognition.May 26, 2016
Pros and Cons of Peer Review in the Workplace - CAEL
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This is not talking about peer review in a scientific sense, so you are using a strawman argument here.
What is one purpose for the peer review process in scientific research?
The purpose of peer review is for
other scientists to provide feedback on an article and tell the editor of the publication whether or not they think the study is of high enough quality to be published.
Science Test 1 Flashcards | Quizlet
And the quality can be affected if the article is filled with the researcher's personal biases.
You don't understand how science works.
Bias: prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=bias+means
No, God does not want our personal biases, but God wants our personal opinions.
I, for one, am willing to completely abandon my personal opinions in order to get the objective truth. Aren't you?
Peer review would not remove any personal biases we might have, it would only introduce the biases of other people.
On what basis do you think that peer review is unable to detect the biases of the researcher?
If the researcher's article says, "However, the experiment performed by Doctor Smith can't be trusted because he's a arrogant idiot and he tried to hit on my wife, so I hate him," do you think that a peer reviewer would not be able to say, "Hey, Mr Researcher, I think you might be letting your personal opinions about Dr Smith influence your judgement here."
We will all have our own subjective opinions of the objective evidence. That cannot be removed by asking other people for their subjective opinions, all that would accomplish would be to introduce more subjective opinions.
Yes it can.
You REALLY don't understand how science works.
That would never work in the real world and you know it. I have you backed into a corner and now is the time to admit you are wrong. No college or university would ever operate that way and you know it. Every student is responsible to the teacher for their own homework and test answers, just as every person is responsible for what they decide to believe about the Messenger of God. That is why it is called Independent Investigation of Truth.
Please, tell me why that situation would not work.
You are not going to verify that it is the truth by 'checking' with other people since there is no reason to think that they are any better equipped to determine whether Baha'u'llah was a Messenger of God than you would be. At most all they would do is introduce their own biases so nobody would be any closer to discovering the truth.
If you get a hundred people to check your work and they all give the same result as you, then yes, it is indeed evidence that you got it right.
I mean, maybe you got it wrong, sure. Maybe when you were working out the equation, you put in 7.377652 instead of 7.377562, and therefore got the wrong answer.
But if every single on of the 100 people you get to check your work gets the same answer as you, then that means that they ALL entered the same number the wrong way, and they each got it wrong in the same way! And what are the chances of that? Very small.
No, my argument does not rely upon accepting what Baha’u’llah wrote as the Word of God, it relies upon logic and common sense. It only makes sense that people would be responsible for their own beliefs because we all have free will to choose what to believe, and we are all accountable to God for our beliefs, so if we tell God that Joe did not believe x so I did not believe x that will not be acceptable to God. God does not want us to have Joe’s belief, God only wants OUR belief.
That is not at all what I was talking about.
I have already explained how the conclusion "Mr B was a messenger from God" does not logically follow from any of the known objective facts about Mr B. Concluding that he was a messenger from God requires the assumption that his writings are completely accurate - which you said was not the case.
This idea of peer review to decide if a religious belief is true is so absurd that not even atheists would agree with you.
Yes, I agree that it's absurd to think that a bunch of old stories could ever pass a test designed to determine objective fact.
And the reason for that is because religions is not true and God doesn't exist.
AGAIN, religion is not science and it is
the fallacy of false equivalence to try to use the same methods of determining the scientific truth and religious truth. Science can be proven as a fact but religion can never be proven as a fact. Religious truth can only be believed.
Any method that claims to be able to find the truth should be able to pass any test that weeds out fairytales.
Do you mean all the people who have claimed to be Prophets that the Bahai Faith does not recognize as Prophets?
Yes.
Although, before you reply with, "The Bahai faith says they aren't really prophets, so they don't count," you must first prove to me that the Bahai faith alone is the authority capable of making that determination.
I have nothing to avoid, you are the one who is avoiding by not responding to what I said.
Yes you are. You are avoiding the point I raised by quibbling over wordplay. In my experience, the only people who do that are the ones who have no actual response but are just stalling for time.
There is no wordplay. Only I know what was implied because I was the one who thought it and wrote it.
Again you are hiding behind wordplay.
This has nothing to do with God being Almighty. This has to do with humans and what they need and are able to understand. God reveals religious truth as humans need it and as they are able to understand it, not before.
That is why Jesus said:
John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Humans and the world they live in change over time, and that is one reason God sends a new Messenger in every new age.
If God is almighty, then surely he could have created us so we could understand everything we need to know at once.
Once again, the religious idea of God being almighty leads to a contradiction that believers must use insane distortions of logic to get out of.
Shintoism and Sikhism were not established by a Messenger of God. Confucius renewed morals and ancient virtues but He was not a Messenger of God.
Says you. There are a lot of people who would say otherwise.
The Bab and Baha’u’llah were the Twin Messengers who were both part of the same age (the same religious cycle). The Bab was the forerunner who came to announce the coming of Bahaullah. The Bab had His own religion (the Babi Faith) for about nine years but His purpose was to bridge the gap between Islam and the Baha’i Faith and to prepare the way for Baha’u’llah.
Cool story.
