Atheists Will go to Heaven?

[Kellymac]

Sorry but I want a verse that used the word heaven. Because there is a verse that says no man has ascended into heaven. Can you be sure Jesus meant heaven when he spoke of preparing a place? Since going to heaven is one of the main Christian beliefs ther must be many verses that clearly say people go to heaven. I have not found any.

Are you talking about vocabulary? It's what we call the place, for pity's sake.

 

[Kellymac]

yet the previous one was forced to resign because he was having homosexual sex with his aid, they moved in together after the resignation.

Wait, what?

 

[Father Heathen]

Eternal damnation is the torment that the sinner inflicts upon himself. The fire or burning allusions, are merely metaphors for their conscience burning. They were given a multitude of opportunities to repent. All God has ever asked of us was to be good, and nothing more. And yet, who has obeyed him, revered him, and shown gratitude as is commensurate to His majesty?
All that they had to do was simply say 'sorry' (repent), and 'thank you' (for God's mercy and grace), but they refused.
Once they are cast out from what they were indignant to enter, God will neither torment them nor deal with them anymore - they will be weeping and gnashing their own teeth.

So if someone said to you "Lick my boots or I'll kick your skull in." and you refused, you would be at fault for the resulting assault due to your decision?

 

[kjw47]

Wait, what?

The previous pope was forced to resign. They always said the pope was infallible. They are wrong on many matters.

 

[kjw47]

Are you talking about vocabulary? It's what we call the place, for pity's sake.

The little flock is promised heaven( Luke 12:32) these are numbered( rev 14:3)= 144,000-- These will sit on thrones alongside Jesus( Rev 1:6- Rev 20:4-6) first doing the seperating of the sheep and goats during the tribulation, then judging, even the fallen angels. This is the bride of Christ.
The other sheep( John 10:16) = the great crowd which no man can number( Rev 7:9) will be brought into Gods kingdom-not heaven but on earth-they get this promise from Jesus( Matthew 5:5--Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth--The psalmist taught that truth as well-Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it.--These will be brought through the tribulation and Har-mageddon on earth-Matthew 24:21-22- proverbs 2:21-22

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Are you talking about vocabulary? It's what we call the place, for pity's sake.

What exactly is it that you call the place? This is a serious question because Christians say they will go to heaven when they die. All I want is a Bible verse that says this.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That sounds rather confused MTD? As an atheist you claim that there is no God, and at the same time you don't deny God's existence?
Is it asking too much for you to try and be consistent or rational?

I miswrote. Sorry.

 

[Kellymac]

What exactly is it that you call the place? This is a serious question because Christians say they will go to heaven when they die. All I want is a Bible verse that says this.

I never really thought about it. TIME has something interesting to say:

They believed that with the resurrection of Jesus this new creation had already been launched. Jesus embodied in himself the perfect fusion of “heaven” and “earth.” In Jesus, therefore, the ancient Jewish hope had come true at last. The point was not for us to “go to heaven,” but for the life of heaven to arrive on earth. Jesus taught his followers to pray: “Thy kingdom come on earth as in heaven.” From as early as the third century, some Christian teachers tried to blend this with types of the Platonic belief, generating the idea of “leaving earth and going to heaven,” which became mainstream by the Middle Ages. But Jesus’ first followers never went that route.

The New Testament Doesn’t Say What Most People Think It Does About Heaven

 

[Kellymac]

The previous pope was forced to resign. They always said the pope was infallible. They are wrong on many matters.

No he wasn't. Who told you that? He resigned voluntarily. He was 85 years old and in poor health. If you think that's forced you might want to review your vocabulary.

 

[Bluedragon]

Atheists have declared they have heard about God and Christ but have elected to not believe ..

Study scripture more closely...The only unforgivable sin is to deny Christ and God ...

Seems that the matter is well settled

 

[Willamena]

Was the Pope wrong about atheists getting into heaven?

More recently (April 15th, 2018) Pope Francis claimed that atheists get to Heaven, thus reinforcing the impression that his opinions on the afterlife are somewhat clumsy when compared to standard biblical views. Both statements, in fact, have to do with the eternal destiny of people, the former suggesting the prospect of annihilation (i.e. the waning away of the soul) and the latter implying a form of universalism (i.e. all will ultimately be saved regardless of their faith in Christ).
Do Atheists go to Heaven? Pope Francis says yes

The Pope believes in Heaven. There is a worldview from which everyone gets into heaven. Not everyone shares that worldview.

 

[DNB]

That's the way the world works DNB, after all the Jews still remain more than sceptical about Jesus.

Regards Tony

I'm not sure if my skepticism is based on the same cynicism as that of the Jews?

 

[DNB]

I can find reason to believe (ie our intuitions appear faulty and irrational).
But that is not evidence any more than your ad populum fallacy is.

In my opinion.

But you, and your cohorts are the enlightened ones, the landslide minority of all humans. Human's intuitions appear faulty and irrational for the landslide majority of people, except for the few.
All the temples, churches, altars, blood-sweat-and -tears , money and sacrifice, prayers and devotions, all based on faulty and irrational intuitions. Wow Daniel, look at you, can't find an ounce of evidence?

 

[danieldemol]

But you, and your cohorts are the enlightened ones, the landslide minority of all humans. Human's intuitions appear faulty and irrational for the landslide majority of people, except for the few.
All the temples, churches, altars, blood-sweat-and -tears , money and sacrifice, prayers and devotions, all based on faulty and irrational intuitions. Wow Daniel, look at you, can't find an ounce of evidence?

So incredulity and ad-populum is all you have to offer?

In my opinion.

 

[DNB]

So if someone said to you "Lick my boots or I'll kick your skull in." and you refused, you would be at fault for the resulting assault due to your decision?

Smarten up, that's no where near analogous to what I said.
If someone offered me a million dollars as long as treat others as myself, and I refused it, then my remorse over the loss is something that i will have to live with - no one is torturing me.

 

[DNB]

I miswrote. Sorry.

no worries

 

[DNB]

So incredulity and ad-populum is all you have to offer?

In my opinion.

Evidence is evidence Daniel, - where there' smoke, there's fire. You don't have irrationality on your side, for you will never, ever be able to prove that atheists are more rational than theists. It is therefore incumbent upon you, for your own sake, to come up with a better explanation than, as a rule, 90% of the earth's population that ever lived, are more irrational than the 10%

 

[danieldemol]

Evidence is evidence Daniel

Incedulity and ad-populum are not evidence.

you will never, ever be able to prove that atheists are more rational than theists. It is therefore incumbent upon you, for your own sake, to come up with a better explanation than, as a rule, 90% of the earth's population that ever lived, are more irrational than the 10%

I never claimed it as a rule that 90% are more irrational than 10%.

Matters should be judged on a case by case basis, and in this case there is no evidence for God.

In my opinion.

 

[danieldemol]

You're incorrigible.

Ad-hominem.

In my opinion.

 

[DNB]

Ad-hominem.

In my opinion.

Not intentionally, more out of concern.