Atheists Will go to Heaven?

[TransmutingSoul]

That's a rather audacious claim?
Have you seen the size of the universe? Or, are you familiar with all the types of life on this earth, how they function, their purpose and how they sustain themselves. Do you think that you have solved the problems of all moral issues, or are able to dissuade a misogynist, racist or bigot from their ways? Was it by your own volition that you have life and the ability to love?
I doubt very highly that you'll be even standing or are able to speak a word, the day that God presents Himself before you.

In case you did not know. That was a distinguishing feature of Baha’u’llah, people were unable to speak in his presence, unless permission was given.

The Muslim clergy started blaming it on the drinks and food being drugged and other more laughable accusations.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Maybe you're just not looking in the right place. Since I converted I see Him all the time.

We are told no one sees God. Maybe you are seeing God's Messengers, that is possible.

Or, you are using it as a metaphor of a heart felt connection with the spirit.

Regards Tony

 

[RestlessSoul]

Would someone quote a Bible verse that says ANYONE goes to heaven.

John 14:2

 

[Mock Turtle]

I'll be behind you, boosting you up. I could also use a helping hand myself.

Some believe that they could bribe their way into heaven. Threaten? Extort? Deceive? Pick the lock on the pearly gates? Distract? Redefine (like changing the word torture so that torture doesn't exist....as John Woo did for W. Bush...which is another way of lying)? Convoy (with our 18 wheelers, ram the gate going 98)? Explosives? Murder? (Lets remember that the Mafia still goes to Catholic church, and still count rosary beads and says hail Marys...sometimes as a precautionary measure for crimes that they are about to commit). Rocket? (hah...science is good for theology)....oops, overshot the cloud.....falling into the pit.

Will heaven write a special pass for those who murdered Gays? But, aren't they doing God's job? Actually, humans should not do God's jobs (judge not lest ye be judged.....only God is the judge).

NRA (guns for God?) We could defend heaven with them.

When the lower eastside of the Bronx does move to heaven, is heaven still heaven? Will there be grafitti all over heaven? Trash? Dogs pooping? (But, what if we love rover?). With any luck, poop will fall through the clouds (look out below).

I find the whole concept of Heaven and Hell to be ludicrous, given that we often just get used to and adapt to whatever blessings or misfortunes we experience, unless we undergo a transformation so as to wake up each 'new day' born again without memory of the previous - which then tends to work against any 'Heavenly' experiences. No doubt the religious can find ways to invent suitable Heavens and Hells, but for me they are two of the worst inventions - when I think it is far better to have an internal conviction of what is right and wrong rather than having external threats or rewards. These notions just tend to reflect the beliefs and crude solutions of their time rather than coming from some divine source, it seems to me.

 

[Clara Tea]

I'm not catholic and don't know why there is a pope. So what does scripture actually say about heaven? It says there are heavens, but these are not explained in scripture. You have to interpolate with your brain what they mean, and 'The pope' is doing a better job with his brain than the people who called him 'Clumsy'. They should just do charity work, and they should demand their money back from whatever seminary claimed to educate them.

Lets suppose that heaven is a place as Evangelical Focus implies: "Where is it?" Scripture says its where God is and where we pray to but that God is omnipresent. If you want to pray to God you pray to God in heaven, but God is everywhere. So if God is in heaven but is omnipresent where is heaven? Its not a place, not a dimension. Its talking about something other than places and dimensions when it says heaven. 'Place' can be metaphorical. For example if I'm talking to you about a taboo subject I might indicate that I don't want to discuss it by saying "I don't want to go there." Places are not always places, particularly not in ancient, foreign literature that you are terrible at interpreting, Evangelical Focus.

Perhaps we could locate hell by its description? Hell is hot. The sun is hot. Gravitational stress on the sun is greatest when all planets align. The last alignment of all of the planets was in 1749. By the Coptic (Egyptian) calendar, that is the year 666. Could it be that gravitational pull could open the gates of the bottomless pit of hell and release evil demons?

Eight of the planets were aligning just before the war in Iraq. Iraq has a special place in God's heart....it was the location of the Tower of Babel....it was the location of Eden (between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers). Now, that location has broken shards of pottery with tank tracks. In Revelation, God commanded that we not attack Iraq....President W. Bush (like his father) defied God. He ignored "thou shalt not kill" and made a war. He ignored "turn the other cheek" and didn't leave revenge to God.

 

[Clara Tea]

I find the whole concept of Heaven and Hell to be ludicrous, given that we often just get used to and adapt to whatever blessings or misfortunes we experience, unless we undergo a transformation so as to wake up each 'new day' born again without memory of the previous - which then tends to work against any 'Heavenly' experiences. No doubt the religious can find ways to invent suitable Heavens and Hells, but for me they are two of the worst inventions - when I think it is far better to have an internal conviction of what is right and wrong rather than having external threats or rewards. These notions just tend to reflect the beliefs and crude solutions of their time rather than coming from some divine source, it seems to me.

If people spent less time studying religion, and more time helping others, as Jesus did, the world would be better. Improving the world, in my opinion, is good.

Those who aggressively recruit members for their church are sometimes abusive and dismissive. They look at life through rose colored glasses (ignoring boy raping priests, et al). They seek religion because it makes them feel better.

Those who lose children in childbirth often tend to lean on religion. So do recovering addicts ***Mod edit*** It feels wrong to suggest to them that their religion is nothing more than a fantasy and crutch....because they need a crutch in order to cope with the real world.

Often theists get bogged down in their bible study and don't realize that there is a wide world out there that needs help. Helping others is the road to salvation.

 

[Clara Tea]

I think it is interesting question, do people trust more to Pope than to Jesus/Bible who says:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

Maybe atheist could be righteous, but if he is not, then according to the Bible, he doesn’t get eternal life. I believe there are many atheists that are more righteous than Pope.

Matthew was a human, not God, and may have misunderstood Jesus. Jesus might have said that those who believe in him will have eternal life. But is that life in hell?

When Jesus said this, he was on a cross (tied or nailed...it is unclear). The natural instinct of humans would be to curse those who torture (perhaps curse them to eternal damnation in hell?).

 

[Clara Tea]

Sounds like fun, should i bring cake too?

I think that George was counting on "angel food" not "devil's food." Of course you could bring either or none. I am not commenting on where you are going in the afterlife.

I wonder if food should be vegan, so we don't hurt God's sentient animals (especiallly herbivores like cows)?

I understand that there are barbecues all over hell...so you don't have to start brickettes.

Mark Twain said that you go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company.

 

[Clara Tea]

boy, that's a toughy...

There are a lot of pastors who were hoping for fat, slow moving pidgeons (of a type).

 

[Clara Tea]

We are told no one sees God. Maybe you are seeing God's Messengers, that is possible.

Or, you are using it as a metaphor of a heart felt connection with the spirit.

Regards Tony

If someone converts, I would imagine that Satan wants to convert them back. That might make Satan follow them around, tempting them, and leading them astray. Could that spirit that they see be Satan?

 

[JustGeorge]

I think that George was counting on "angel food" not "devil's food." Of course you could bring either or none. I am not commenting on where you are going in the afterlife.

I wonder if food should be vegan, so we don't hurt God's sentient animals (especiallly herbivores like cows)?

I understand that there are barbecues all over hell...so you don't have to start brickettes.

Mark Twain said that you go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company.

I'm for any cake, angel's or devil's food. Vegan or not(but it must be vegetarian). I'm not too particular when it comes to cake.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

If someone converts, I would imagine that Satan wants to convert them back. That might make Satan follow them around, tempting them, and leading them astray. Could that spirit that they see be Satan?

No.

Regards Tony

 

[loverofhumanity]

Was the Pope wrong about atheists getting into heaven?

More recently (April 15th, 2018) Pope Francis claimed that atheists get to Heaven, thus reinforcing the impression that his opinions on the afterlife are somewhat clumsy when compared to standard biblical views. Both statements, in fact, have to do with the eternal destiny of people, the former suggesting the prospect of annihilation (i.e. the waning away of the soul) and the latter implying a form of universalism (i.e. all will ultimately be saved regardless of their faith in Christ).
Do Atheists go to Heaven? Pope Francis says yes

It much depends on your definition of heaven.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Some fear hell and others dream of paradise.
But no man who really knows the secrets of his God
Has planted seeds like this within his heart.

- Omar Khayyam

 

[ChristineM]

My first thought as well, since I don't believe in heaven. Hard to go or not go to a nonexistent place. Hogwarts does sound like fun though. There or the Chocolate Factory with Willy Wonka.

Hogwarts exits, been there and seen it.

More commonly known as Alnwick Castle.

 

[ChristineM]

I think that George was counting on "angel food" not "devil's food." Of course you could bring either or none. I am not commenting on where you are going in the afterlife.

I wonder if food should be vegan, so we don't hurt God's sentient animals (especiallly herbivores like cows)?

I understand that there are barbecues all over hell...so you don't have to start brickettes.

Mark Twain said that you go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company.

I think @JustGeorge is kind of partial to devils food ...

If they don't do rare steak in heaven then im not going... I put my foot down with a heavy hand on that matter

BBQ, sounds good, thats the place for me.

Mark Twain was a wise guy

 

[Colt]

Was the Pope wrong about atheists getting into heaven?

More recently (April 15th, 2018) Pope Francis claimed that atheists get to Heaven, thus reinforcing the impression that his opinions on the afterlife are somewhat clumsy when compared to standard biblical views. Both statements, in fact, have to do with the eternal destiny of people, the former suggesting the prospect of annihilation (i.e. the waning away of the soul) and the latter implying a form of universalism (i.e. all will ultimately be saved regardless of their faith in Christ).
Do Atheists go to Heaven? Pope Francis says yes

In my theology when we resurrect in the next life on the mansion worlds the only thing for certain will be our survival. We start over right where we left off in our spiritual progress here, living by faith. There will be more opportunity for reform, recovery and salvation for those who are willing. The judgment process is so fair as to win the approval of the judgment candidate. They would rather risk system wide rebellion than execute (1) personality where hope is still alive. There is no hell place, rather its eternal annihilation.

 

[Audie]

Was the Pope wrong about atheists getting into heaven?

More recently (April 15th, 2018) Pope Francis claimed that atheists get to Heaven, thus reinforcing the impression that his opinions on the afterlife are somewhat clumsy when compared to standard biblical views. Both statements, in fact, have to do with the eternal destiny of people, the former suggesting the prospect of annihilation (i.e. the waning away of the soul) and the latter implying a form of universalism (i.e. all will ultimately be saved regardless of their faith in Christ).
Do Atheists go to Heaven? Pope Francis says yes

Yes, imo

 

[kjw47]

Was the Pope wrong about atheists getting into heaven?

More recently (April 15th, 2018) Pope Francis claimed that atheists get to Heaven, thus reinforcing the impression that his opinions on the afterlife are somewhat clumsy when compared to standard biblical views. Both statements, in fact, have to do with the eternal destiny of people, the former suggesting the prospect of annihilation (i.e. the waning away of the soul) and the latter implying a form of universalism (i.e. all will ultimately be saved regardless of their faith in Christ).
Do Atheists go to Heaven? Pope Francis says yes

He also is called holy father, as are the priests called Father--yet simple bible milk teaches--Do not call any man on earth Father( this was about spiritual teachers, not to a Dad) Matthew 23:9-- they also say the pope is infallible--yet the previous one was forced to resign because he was having homosexual sex with his aid, they moved in together after the resignation.
So lets see after1700 years-they cant even understand simple bible milk but the blind put their eternal lives in their hands. How sad. they all have lost. Its nothing but a pompous show.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

John 14:2

Sorry but I want a verse that used the word heaven. Because there is a verse that says no man has ascended into heaven. Can you be sure Jesus meant heaven when he spoke of preparing a place? Since going to heaven is one of the main Christian beliefs ther must be many verses that clearly say people go to heaven. I have not found any.