It's hard not to be right when you know everything. It's those gray areas that are so perplexing.
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Atheists Will go to Heaven?
- Thread starter Nakosis
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It's hard not to be right when you know everything. It's those gray areas that are so perplexing.
boy, that's a toughy...
If we believe without proof, we'd have to believe in all that is not proven or proveable. It makes sense to not believe until we see proof. Can we be faulted for not believing in a God who hides?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, yes, it makes sense, but that is not proof, that we ought not to believe in God.
There will be a very low bar if I get in.
I'll be behind you, boosting you up. I could also use a helping hand myself.
Some believe that they could bribe their way into heaven. Threaten? Extort? Deceive? Pick the lock on the pearly gates? Distract? Redefine (like changing the word torture so that torture doesn't exist....as John Woo did for W. Bush...which is another way of lying)? Convoy (with our 18 wheelers, ram the gate going 98)? Explosives? Murder? (Lets remember that the Mafia still goes to Catholic church, and still count rosary beads and says hail Marys...sometimes as a precautionary measure for crimes that they are about to commit). Rocket? (hah...science is good for theology)....oops, overshot the cloud.....falling into the pit.
Will heaven write a special pass for those who murdered Gays? But, aren't they doing God's job? Actually, humans should not do God's jobs (judge not lest ye be judged.....only God is the judge).
NRA (guns for God?) We could defend heaven with them.
When the lower eastside of the Bronx does move to heaven, is heaven still heaven? Will there be grafitti all over heaven? Trash? Dogs pooping? (But, what if we love rover?). With any luck, poop will fall through the clouds (look out below).
When we recognize and nurture the beauty within, we atone for past sins.
Thank you. I'll get the stains out of that glass with my special window cleaner. There you go....clear as glass.
By being good, the escalator ride will have plenty of space. When we look across to the down escalator, we'll see a lot of disillusioned Christians screaming that they were good, and threatening to get their guns.
Kellymac
Member
Maybe you're just not looking in the right place. Since I converted I see Him all the time.
My first thought as well, since I don't believe in heaven. Hard to go or not go to a nonexistent place. Hogwarts does sound like fun though. There or the Chocolate Factory with Willy Wonka.
Kellymac
Member
In fairness, if they do they are doing it to please their Catholic mothers or grandmothers. I doubt very much they believe it. I have no idea who gets into Heaven, and neither does anyone else. We are not the final judge. All we can do is try to live the best lives we can and worship in the best way we know how. If that means not worshiping, then so be it. I don't think there are any guarantees. You can't just say, "Well, I'm saved so I can do whatever I want and I've got a golden ticket". That's just my opinion. If it's sacrilege then I guess that's on me.
Kellymac
Member
Are you kidding? Willy Wonka was totally creepy. I didn't pick up on it until I re-watched the movie as an adult.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
No, the most Blessed Pope is correct.
See for example:
That All Shall Be Saved | Yale University Press
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I'm not sure what that means.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Sure as hell isn't Catholic theology. . If the Pope denies Catholic theology how is the everyday Catholic supposed to believe in it?
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Would someone quote a Bible verse that says ANYONE goes to heaven.
I didn't watch the second one. I watched the first one with friends at a small town theatre. There was a door prize of a toy caterpillar bulldozer filled with chocolate. We had all imbibed, and had the m - munchies. We took turns going out to the concession stand and buying chocolate. They almost sold out I think. But my friend (and room-mate at the time) won the door prize, and had to go to the front of the theatre after the movie to get it. All the little kids started booing him, so we all started cheering him on. The bulldozer remained on display in our apartment, and we got to retell the story many times. First time I've retold it in about 50 years, lol.
All souls progress to the next life under the bounty of God.
Heaven is nearness to God and Hell is remoteness. We are given the free will chance in this life to choose Heaven. The Bible shows this as being born again in the spirit and following Christ. There is more than one death mentioned, one we can not put off, the other is our choice.
Regards Tony