There ya go spoken like a hard core believer! Ya even brought that word that was not suppose to be relied upon. Wanna give me a few verses to proof text your faith?
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Atheists you suck at being atheists.
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3rdAngel
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Of course nothing is true if satan is your teacher. The truth will be offensive to all who follow that path which only has it's end in dissappointment. If atheism is your religion you are indeed free to believe as you wish. We all have the right to choose who we believe and follow. Your belief and religion however is certainly not mine.Atheism is not a set of doctrine, dogma, belief, or rituals that are part of a religion. Ergo, its not a religion. Also, Pascals Wager is a terrible reason to have faith, and this little "insurance policy," asides from being motivated in a selfish persuit to save ones own hide, I have to imagine is rather offensive to any gods that may be.
Teach me how to Satan..teach me..teach me how to Satan
I like that. It should at the end of the day make for a better person. It actually does in many localities.. Maybe better community. That seems to be an issue, comminity society thing.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There is no truth in what you said. Atheism is not a belief, it is not a religion, and believing just because you believe it the safer bet is a selfish drive to save your own hide.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
They're not gentlemen, they're not gentlemen at all.
In all forms......
Its the bane of sience as well. Apparently you found a commonality between religion and science with one word.
Was it "you are going to heaven in spite of what you believe" or "god doesnt care you are atheists?"
I could say "god does care you are atheists" if that would feel bstter. And certainly i was being insensitive in thinking you are going to heaven in spite of being atheist. I can rewrite all that. My appologies.
3rdAngel
Well-Known Member
There is no truth in what you said. Atheism is not a belief, it is not a religion, and believing just because you believe it the safer bet is a selfish drive to save your own hide.
Arr a sore spot. Atheism is indeed the religion of all those who seek to state there is no God. Just the very fact you asking Satan to be your teacher is a contradiction to what you post.
Of course not! They have never been to church unless its some crazy whacko church. Actually manners was the first thing i first learned in church as a small infant of 23.lol. I was raised by wild monkeys. Its funny my father was an atheist so i understand atheism. I would probably be an atheist if i didnt have that fire, Which william james called the The numinous.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
They even eat with their mouths open
Not all of them. Just most!!! Lol. Those we can convert.
Another bust out loud laughing. You might make a decent carpenter.... Someday.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Im not an atheist, and my signature comes from a silly tongue in cheek song. Not even the artist who made it takes it seriously.
You're thinking of "scientism", I take it.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Sure.
"arvāg devā asya visarjanenāthā ko veda yataābabhūva ll"
The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being?
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10129.htm, Verse 6
(I date the verse around 1,000 BCE, that is late-Vedic)
"Andham tamah pravishanti, ye asambhootim-upaasate;
tato bhooya iva te tamo, ya u sambhootyaagm ratah."
They enter into blinding darkness who aim to attain unmanifested;
but they enter into even greater darkness who aim to attain the manifested.
Ishavasya Upanishad, Verse 12.
If we believed in God, heaven and hell, we would not be termed as atheists. So, do not worry about us and keep dreaming about your (eternal) stay in heaven.
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Yes absolutely.
"excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques."
Its becoming an question, answer and solution unto itself for any problem for some. Thats a narrowing of perspective. Artists tend to react to that in negative ways where ever they find it.
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That's good. When you not belief the sun into not setting get back to me, i will listen.
Nature you might try it sometime rather remarkable, cuts through the bologna. Breathing way under appreciated.
Opening the interesting question whether art lays more wonders on humankind than science does.
Listening to Vivaldi, as I am at the moment, I might think art, until I consider that I get it by streaming and hear it through remarkable technology. So perhaps a draw is the fair result.
Perhaps the self-awareness of the religious is mistakenly diagnosed - as in the feelings being misinterpreted as spirituality?
As others have commented, I have no issues with the religious, just on how their beliefs impact the rest of us who might either not have any such beliefs or whilst having a different religious belief. One can't really argue that such beliefs don't impact others in any way, and more so than most other beliefs.
But, I do have some issues with religions in general - the sort tied to a dogma apparently emanating from a divine source and originating at a time when those all around were in the thralls of bliss - as in 'ignorance is bliss'. Firstly, that they are essentially exploitative - taking advantage of our (humans in general) needs, gullibility, and stupid nature - with the rewards they offer, the various unsubstantiated claims they make, and their requisitioning of morality - as if it never existed prior to any religious belief and/or one could not be moral without having this particular religious belief. This latter is just despicable.
Secondly, I hate the way these particular religions tie us to the past rather than being dynamic enough to deal with societies as they exist in the present - Saudi Arabia is a typical example of how one does this, but many others are dragging their feet and causing problems where there should be none (homosexuality, female equality, indoctrination of children, etc.).
Lastly, although I can see why so many see religions much like other myths we tend to use daily, it doesn't help when they are essentially set in concrete and become almost immovable at a later date when their usefulness vanishes or makes them more of a liability - but where in the meantime they have caused a great deal of friction and harm - because of their claims to have 'the truth'. If we have to believe myths surely it is better to have those that don't set us up as targets for others or as ammunition to be used against others.
Atheists, as far as I can see, don't claim anything - apart from not seeing any evidence so far for a divine source of existence - which is why they are open to change and developments within society rather than having to reinterpret any scriptures regularly. Perhaps there is a divine source of creation (I'm partially open to this possibility) but by claiming this as certainty and then building an edifice of religion to withstand the rages of time one is in new and dangerous territory. And if one builds on quicksand, one can see where that leads.
Which is mostly what I see in religions - they are built on quicksand - even if it was well-intentioned.
Edit: I should have added another dislike - the separation from nature and the placing of humans apart from other species - often being seen as 'innately different' as opposed to being 'developmentally different'. Which will likely have long-term consequences for us, the planet, and all other life on Earth.
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I play guitar. Its science its art. Strap a human to it and if they are good at it its inspired.
Its interesting suddenly we can hace a moment communally where some agreement of shared amazement happens across boumdries we have created.
. Art to me is spectral. There are artists in all domains. Jane goodall in her studies, Carl Sagan in his astrological, Richard Feynman in his field. I have listened to them and they convey a certain quality of their studies that runs deeper than the topic. They all inspire. To breathe into the reader the listener, a certain feel not just the raw data. Maybe thats what is missing in the enviromental issues we face. That voice. One that both conveys what is, and inspires us at the same time.
Thats a tough thing and itself and isnt really a phenomena that can be pinned down by science and quantified. I treat that as a miracle of a real kind. Rare. It happens, thats a fact, but how cant be fully explained. I dont think it ever will be.
sooda
Veteran Member
Good grief...…."satan is your teacher"???