Attention, Trump Supporters

[BSM1]

He told you that? The economic experts still agree you're all ****ed.

Hard to argue with less than 4% unemployment, a Stock Market north of 25,000, and US steel mills restarting dormant blast furnaces (U.S. Steel to restart second Illinois blast furnace). Say what you will but facts are tricky little devils.

 

[BSM1]

Those tariff sanctions are gonna bite you where the sun don't shine.

Haven't yet, and you might want to google the exorbitant tariff that countries like Canada has been imposing on US farmer and manufactures for years.

 

[idav]

Thank you for proving my point.

You just said because you don’t like the people who oppose Trump. People are asking why look at the people and why not look at the president making horrid decisions. Though to be fair people are far less likely to admit a mistake when they are being told “I told you so”, so in a way your right but it’s horrible reasoning.

 

[idav]

Hard to argue with less than 4% unemployment, a Stock Market north of 25,000, and US steel mills restarting dormant blast furnaces (U.S. Steel to restart second Illinois blast furnace). Say what you will but facts are tricky little devils.

Must have been nice starting his presidency at four percent unemployment. Yes facts are tricky, give Obama credit where it’s due.

 

[BSM1]

You just said because you don’t like the people who oppose Trump. People are asking why look at the people and why not look at the president making horrid decisions. Though to be fair people are far less likely to admit a mistake when they are being told “I told you so”, so in a way your right but it’s horrible reasoning.

What, in your opinion, has Trump done that rates this unbridled contempt?

 

[idav]

Haven't yet, and you might want to google the exorbitant tariff that countries like Canada has been imposing on US farmer and manufactures for years.

The fact is we were winning last year in trade with Canada.

 

[BSM1]

Must have been nice starting his presidency at four percent unemployment. Yes facts are tricky, give Obama credit where it’s due.

Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. The stated unemployment figures when Trump took office was near 5% with the actual rate being close to 11%. The Obama administration conveniently stopped counting those that has simply quit looking for a job. Be that as it may, let's talk Trump's consistent GDP growth of over 3 per cent per quarter compared to Obama's anemic 2.8% or less on a good day. Did Trump inherit that terrible growth rate also?

 

[BSM1]

The fact is we were winning last year in trade with Canada.

What does this mean?

 

[idav]

What, in your opinion, has Trump done that rates this unbridled contempt?

Trade war with China.
Concentration camps for children of asylum seekers.
Reversing civil rights policies.
Reversing animal rights policies.
Alienating us from our allies.
Pandering to authoritarians.
Giving tax breaks to the rich.
Pandering to oil companies.
Creating more unneeded debt when we are not in a recession.

The list is prettty big but I don’t really have all day.

 

[sun rise]

Trump is EEE-VIL!

I'm going to call a spade a spade.

What, in your opinion, has Trump done that rates this unbridled contempt?

Lying, bigotry, lust, greed, anger, corruption, causing pain and suffering of children as a bargaining chip, envying Kim's brutal regime, committing crimes, hating the free press, attacking government institutions for personal gain, appointing incompetents and throwing temper tantrums worthy of a 2-year old for starters. And, oh yes, starting a trade war with most of the world's developed nations because he's ignorant and/or stupid. I'm disinclined to go even further into the stench he emits.

 

[idav]

What does this mean?

Means we don’t have a trade deficit with Canada.

 

[sun rise]

What does this mean?

Simple, the balance of payments was in the US's favor.

 

[Cacotopia]

Haven't yet, and you might want to google the exorbitant tariff that countries like Canada has been imposing on US farmer and manufactures for years.

Because America OVER PRODUCES, on purpose as well. I can't remember the documentary but there is such a video that talks specifically about this.

 

[74x12]

What would you have done?

I knew the Arab spring was a disaster. It was never about rights for the people but was always supported by radical elements of Islam.

From America's perspective it was about getting rid of certain undesirable people like Qaddafi. Qaddafi was making his own money which apparently was doing very well in Africa. The first thing they did after getting him out of there was make a new central bank for Libya. It's all about controlling the money and resources around the world. Similar motives for Syria also existed. I'm not sure what happened in Egypt; the whole thing was puzzling but it was interesting to me that Obama continued to support the Muslim Brotherhood even though they were caught calling America "the enemy".

 

[Cacotopia]

America doesn't do things for the rights of the people, if it has strategic value or is resource rich we get involved to get a better deal or to force a deal that is favorable to us.

 

[BSM1]

Trade war with China.
Concentration camps for children of asylum seekers.
Reversing civil rights policies.
Reversing animal rights policies.
Alienating us from our allies.
Pandering to authoritarians.
Giving tax breaks to the rich.
Pandering to oil companies.
Creating more unneeded debt when we are not in a recession.

The list is prettty big but I don’t really have all day.

Prove any one of these happened or is happening. Too bad hate triumphs substance.

 

[BSM1]

America doesn't do things for the rights of the people, if it has strategic value or is resource rich we get involved to get a better deal or to force a deal that is favorable to us.

Nonsense

 

[Cacotopia]

Nonsense

then you are naive.

 

[Stevicus]

You just said because you don’t like the people who oppose Trump. People are asking why look at the people and why not look at the president making horrid decisions. Though to be fair people are far less likely to admit a mistake when they are being told “I told you so”, so in a way your right but it’s horrible reasoning.

It's not so much a matter of disliking the people who oppose Trump as much as disliking their tactics and methods. If someone is incapable of actually putting forth a well-reasoned argument and does nothing but act like a complete smart-a** (such as the individual I was addressing in the post that you quoted), then one really has to wonder.

I've seen this as a constant pattern among those who jump on the anti-Trump bandwagon. I'm not saying this about you, but there are so many who come across as parrots and political hacks. It doesn't take too long before they start resorting to ridicule, condescension, and verbal abuse - and then they wonder why people don't take them seriously or believe anything they say.

As far as which horrid decisions have been made, we can examine that on a case-by-case basis. For example, on tariffs, they're not exactly unprecedented in American history. We've had plenty of times in our history when tariffs were a fact of life (perhaps even the majority of this country's existence). It didn't mean it was the end of America. Some people exaggerate way too much and think the roof will fall in. Do you consider that to be a reasoned approach to the issues facing this country?

It's also a matter of principles over personalities. Truth be told, a lot of people oppose Trump for no other reason than they dislike his personality. They think he's offensive and rude. Somehow, he offends and upsets the sensibilities of "polite society," and this is what people attack the most. But I would also question whether that's a reasoned approach as well.

This is what I'm observing in all of this, in that people are taking more of a surface-level approach to the whole debate. If you think that I'm wrong about that, then by all means, please try to show me where.

 

[Cacotopia]

Humanitarian Aid is just a front to sell it to the sheeple to get their support. Why did we attack Iraq the first time, they were messing with OUR OIL. Why we still in Afghanistan? Could it be that there are untold and untapped mineral wealth hidden in the mountains? Methinks yes there.is. Any country that has something we want, we go in there destroy it and rebuild it and install a president that will give us good deals. Because they "owe" us.

Go read about economic hitmen.