Because they believe lies that the current administration deems “alternative facts”.
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Attention, Trump Supporters
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Not if you're poor or a low-income elderly person. Or if you need health insurance. Or if you have young children that you're concerned about what their future will be with this terribly ramped-up deficit the "conservative" Republicans created with the Trump tax-cuts. Or it you're DACA and are worried about being kicked out of the only country you know. Or if you're a child from a low-income family that needed the CHIP program. Or if you're a Muslim. Etc.
They started it a long time ago. It's only now that we're starting to fight back.
I don't like this either, although "concentration camp" seems a bit over the top. This country and its government have had more than enough time to implement true immigration reform, and if it hasn't by now, it's not something that can be blamed directly on Trump.
Which ones?
Which ones?
What "allies"? What makes anyone believe that they ever were our "allies" in the first place? It seems that, historically, our relationship with our "allies" has been one-way. We go out of our way to help them, while they do nothing but help themselves. With "allies" like that, who needs enemies? What have they ever done for us? I'll give France some credit for helping us during the Revolutionary War, but other than that...
This has been going on for a long time, and both parties are guilty of this. Remember, it was on Obama's watch that many revelations about the NSA (Snowden) and other aspects of our government came about. Again, I'm not excusing Trump here, but let's face it: Where was all this contempt for our government 30-40 years ago? There was some back in the 60s and early 70s - and it seemed like we were headed in the right direction, but most of the public just gave up on fighting the good fight.
Now, it's a lot different. A lot of people just blindly go along and conform without thinking, which is a significant component in bringing about authoritarianism. It happens when people stop questioning authority - or when people go out of their way to attack others who question authority (which is quite common these days). "How dare you question the authorities? How dare you impugn and malign the integrity of the FBI, the DoD, the CIA, the NSA, the Judiciary, or other faithful and noble servants of our government?" This attitude is the road to authoritarianism.
Nobody seemed to mind when this was going on all these past decades. Why be bothered by it now?
Same as above.
Yeah, but that too is more of the same that no one really bothered about when they had the chance. To get upset about it now is too little, too late.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Which is why he has been successfully sued many times, had to pay fines for his Trump University fiasco and his illegal use of campaign funds in 2016, and now there's evidence that he and his family used Trump Foundation charitable contributions for his campaign. And why do you think he called Cohen his "Fixer"? And why do you think he wants to call off Mueller's investigation prior to its completion? And why is it that he hasn't been able to secure loans from western banks? And why do you think he lies so much averaging eight per day when speaking publicly? And why do you think four on his staff have already plead guilty and have taken plea deals? And why did he claim that Obama wasn't an American citizen for seven years while claiming "... and you can't believe what they've found!"?
Etc., etc.
U.S. and China Expand Trade War as Beijing Matches Trump’s Tariffs
Trump calls policy of separating immigrant children from parents a negotiating tool
Donald Trump makes it legal to shoot hibernating bears
Trump retracts his endorsement of G7 final statement
Trump Congratulates Putin, but Doesn’t Mention Meddling in U.S.
http://americandownfall.com/trump-congratulates-chinas-president-for-life-long-term/
Anyway there’s a few to look at that you will probably just ignore or somehow justify.
74x12
Well-Known Member
It's world economic imperialism. The USA fights to keep the dollar as the "petro-dollar". Basically we force or bribe countries to trade oil and other resources exclusively in dollars and not trade in any other currency. Why do you think we give so much "foreign aid" to countries that conveniently ends up in the hands of corrupt government officials? Is it foreign aid or bribes? "Hey, here is some American dollars you can spend on whatever you like!" This keeps the dollar strong so that we don't need to pay our astronomical debt and in fact we can keep on borrowing money we likely don't ever plan to pay back.
Other powers are not any different. Everyone wants a piece of the pie at this point. The USA is strongest for now and so dominating. However other powers are rising. The dollar's day is nearly finished and we expect to see the rise of the Chinese currency shortly. The Yuan might replace the dollar as the world reserve currency. Also note that China is buying up the gold. Possibly so it can create a gold backed currency.
Don't worry.
They can always make a new world war to distract everyone and cancel all their debt if they need to. Once you declare war on China for example then all debts to China are nullified. We live in a crazy world. Money rules the world if you didn't notice and the control of money is the control of the world. Banks rule the world. Let's be honest. The banks in Europe and USA currently rule the world in my opinion.
See post 45. Yes I’m sure you have plenty of justifications for trump acting like a dictator.
Yeah, but they're in the same boat that they've always been in. They haven't really seen much improvement or any meaningful proposals from Democrats. If both Republicans and Democrats agree on the basic political/economic system and agree that it should not be changed or altered in any meaningful way, then people might give up on that and support ideas they think might give them a better life. Even if it means imposing tariffs, kicking out immigrants, banning Muslims.
A lot of people act like it's such a great mystery. Imagine you're a poor farmer in early America, and someone comes along and says "Vote for me! You're white and I can show you a great plan where we can kill all these native people and give you some prime real estate for free. An added bonus is that you won't even have to clear or work the land yourself. We'll give you slaves on credit and you can live the rest of your life on easy street." Setting aside any issues of morality or pangs of conscience, a lot of people ended up taking that deal and supporting the political leadership which offered it.
One can argue until they're blue in the face that people should take the high road and make more moral choices, but it's awfully hard to remain moral when you're hungry, impoverished, stressed out, and exhausted from overwork. That's why I've constantly argued that the working classes can't be neglected, and it's past the point where empty words and lip service will do any good. Some people treat it as a joke, something to be made fun of, but I consider that to be the wrong approach.
You're sure of that, are you?
It would have been better if you had stated it in your own words rather than posting a random list of blind links.
Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
Yes - now you have no choice but to leave quietly.
I already gave a list off the top of my head in my own words. I was asked to prove just one thus I gave a list links, their summaries are sufficient for what I was getting at.
Oh, shush, you.
I think a lot of it is based more in peer pressure and propaganda. Some people are afraid of being seen on the "wrong" side of whatever power they seem to fear, so they take a zealously contemptuous position against Trump because they believe they're expected to do. The actual "reasons" are immaterial and can be easily challenged, disputed, or disregarded.
What I see more is victims of a kind of Asch Conformity Experiment. People are stridently and emotionally against Trump because that's what they feel is expected of them by the "in crowd," even if they don't know or truly understand the reasons for doing so.
So, the question is: Are these your own beliefs? Or are these beliefs which have been spoon-fed to you and you're just repeating them? That's why putting things in your own words would have been better.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Actually there was significant improvement during the Obama administration, although that was largely due to the fact that we gradually came out of the Great Recession.
However, with that being said, the Dems haven't been good at all in putting forth a strong and coherent message of what is it that they actually stand for. Bernie had such a message, but much less Hillary, which is why I didn't want to vote for her and didn't during the primary.
I agree, but the Donald certainly ain't the answer. His tax cuts will significantly hurt the poor because of the massive cuts to Medicaid, cuts to the ACA, the elimination of the CHIP program, his refusal to help those in DACA, his ramping-up the deficit, his using concentration camps to separate children from their parents that he quickly could end with a quick stroke of his pen, etc.
I agree with you as this should be no laughing matter nor a matter of one-up-man-ship. We're dealing with people lives, so we all need to take this very seriously.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
They are not my beliefs they are things Trump is doing and saying. You either agree with Trumps policies or you don’t, I pretty much disagree with most everything Trump and the GOP have done thus far. I find it alarming that Trumps die hard followers don’t see not one negative aspect of any of Trumps agendas.
Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
Well good to know our enemies are not so much on the bright side.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Because it's better than to support Criminal of Corruption liberal democrats
Democrats, and Hillary, did have positive policies that were countered by constant misinformation. There is a huge list that informed voters went by instead of who was able to zing who the best.
Trump is the one with no policies, aside from being a complete authoritarian and reversing anything Obama with no replacement or plan.
Here is a bit of history of what Dems stand for. I’m not democrat though I’m independent. I vote Repub Indoendent or Dem depending.
