Correct, I was using the term Kellyanne Conway coined when talking about Trumps lies.
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Attention, Trump Supporters
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And what factors that led to this do you think were Trump’s doing?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Democrats didn't convince the electoral voters they were competent enough for the next presidential cycle.
That's the reason why Democrats lost.
That's the reason why Democrats lost.
For the office of President, they convinced more people than Trump did.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
But not electorial voters.
Shushersbedamned
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Yet the rightist minority doesn't even care what anyone wants - they just take take and take never giving anything back.
Shushersbedamned
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Is that to be taken as that the republicans convinced the electoral voters that they were competent enough?
Ah - I missed “electoral” in your first post there.
It was probably the way you assumed that electoral college members need “convincing” apart from the votes of the citizens of their state.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That would seem to be the case. If he wasn't then Hillary would be president.Is that to be taken as that the republicans convinced the electoral voters that they were competent enough?
Well, of course, I never did (and as a Canadian, I'm certain he doesn't give a rat's tiny hiney).
However, I'm going to give an answer to your question on behalf of many others who I have listened to, often to my complete bewilderment. Mostly, I'm afraid, I think that there are not many among we humans who can actually do the hard work of examining evidence, thinking logically on that evidence (or if not logically, at least coherently and without bias), and coming to conclusions based on that and that alone. In fact, what I'm discovering -- very much as with the religious process -- is that all logic and fact that is at odds with our preferences is rejected.
Sadly, it means that we're mostly wrong, but happy with it, since we now feel like we are right.
"What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty, in form and moving how express and admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god -- " No, sadly, on that one, Shakespeare and Hamlet got it completely wrong.
Is that why a Texas electoral voter resigned over the thought of voting for Trump? Yeah those Repubs were really convincing.
Democrats lost over gerrymandering and an archaic system of presidential electorate. The people voted for Hillary.
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I suspect much (most?) of his ongoing support comes from people who hate the people who oppose Trump more than they care about anything Trump does. I.e. the same sort of people who look forward to the Apocalypse because they expect their enemies to suffer worse than themselves. We're in serious "cut your nose of to spite your face" territory here. People who'd happily crash their own car into someone else's nicer one if as long as it means NO ONE gets to have a car. People who'll happily tank the economy, see wars declared in their name, see national prestige vanish and educated people fleeing the country, so long as it upsets "liberals"...
You know, until any it effects them personally, then they'll cry like babies. They'll probably still blame anyone else, though, given the slightest shred of an excuse not to speak ill of their cargo cult idol.
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Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
That's awfully compartmentalised. It's almost as if... there was something... something BEFORE Obama's incumbency that destabilised the region to set the situation up for the Arabic Spring and the subsequent mess in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and a bunch of places... I wonder what it could have been, and if it rhymes with "Bush invading and attacking multiple Middle Eastern countries on an illegitimate basis justified with a pseudo Holy war to further corporate interesps"?
It's also because they see these proposals as more doable than changing the economic system for the benefit of all. Heck, even Democrats are embracing the Republican positions when it comes to economic policy, as both parties view capitalism as sacrosanct. If they can't challenge the wealthiest 1%, then they'll go after easier targets. It's the same old story all throughout history.
The only real solution from the Democratic point of view is to be more amenable to making fundamental changes in the economic system. But if they're too stubborn and obstinate to do that (which I can sense that they are), then this is what we get.
Well, he's a New Yorker, and New Yorkers are known to be abrasive, foul-mouthed blowhards.
But there's also the other side of the coin, where some people want a strong leader and get tired of soft-spoken wimps. They want someone who's tough, who will stand up for America, not lay down and give in. As for being helpful diplomatically, much of the world has seen America as some kind of weakened, soft, helpless giant to be easily taken advantage of. That clearly hasn't been good for us these past decades. It's allowed other countries to take advantage of us on trade policies, and it's emboldened terrorists to take advantage of our internal weaknesses - among other things.
As for the groups that Trump has alienated, that may very well be, but I see those same groups as the ones who have been at the forefront in weakening America. They have favored free trade which has all but devastated our economy and gives our trade partners license to walk all over us and loot America. They seem especially upset about alienating our "allies," but our relationship with our allies has only been one way. They want us to bend over backwards for the benefit of our allies, while not caring one scintilla about America or its people.
I don't think some people realize just how fed up a lot of Americans are with the political elite insisting on policies and attitudes which have turned America into the doormat of the world.
Well, as I said, he's a blowhard, and he's "politically incorrect." Some of what gets lambasted as "racially charged statements" are really just low-grade, innocuous stuff, but I consider political correctness to be as irrational as anything.
People point out molehills and try to convince everyone that they're mountains. Well, no, they're molehills. People are trying to say that he's Hitler. That's where the trickery and manipulation come into play, by pulling out a few innocuous examples and trying to make people think it's something different than what it actually is.
I'm not ignoring anything, but there are two sides to every issue.
If you and others are correct about Trump being some kind of horrible person, I think you'd have to come up with something more substantial than what has already been alleged.
What I see a lot of is what I alluded to in post #54
This is how "political correctness" works; it's a kind of peer pressure and manipulative gaslighting. When the issue is pressed and people ask for specifics, they seem to come up empty-handed. Oh, sure, they can parrot the same talking points they hear in the media, but I've already heard all those talking points too, so they're just telling me stuff I already know. Once those points are addressed and refuted, then they have no place else to go - other than the usual tactics of ridicule, manipulation, and self-righteous condescension.
The "Emperor's New Clothes" gambit (or any of its variations) can only work for a little while. If you keep doing it over and over and over again, then more people will get wise to it and start to call BS. That's what is happening now, and the anti-Trump crowd can't think of anything else to do except spew out more of the same.
Why keep using a tactic that's proving to be ineffective?
It's not so much about the stock market, although that seems to keep some people happy. It's the consequences of the ruling class ignoring and alienating large chunks of the American population, such as the people in "flyover country" that the Coastals like to scorn and ridicule so much. You speak of Trump offending and alienating certain groups, but the political elite along the Coasts have been doing that for decades in regards to the people of Middle America. They've been doing that for a long time, and many people have grown tired and fed up with Coastal arrogance, hypocrisy, and mendacity.
74x12
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The agenda continues whether you elect a Republican or Democrat. Who'd a thunk it?
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I don't support him but I applaud his efforts to totally mess with the media. One Trump tweet and the monkeies scream and howl. Our keepers must be pleased. Look at the crowd we've drawn for this.