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Attention, Trump Supporters

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
They are not my beliefs they are things Trump is doing and saying. You either agree with Trumps policies or you don’t, I pretty much disagree with most everything Trump and the GOP have done thus far. I find it alarming that Trumps die hard followers don’t see not one negative aspect of any of Trumps agendas.

So, the fact that you disagree with Trump and what he is doing - is that because of Trump's beliefs or your beliefs?

People might still see negative aspects of Trump's agendas, but it's also a matter of consistency in principles and beliefs. It's also a matter of how seriously one wants to take the issues in question.

Fact is, a lot of the issues we're facing now that seem to be the bugbears for those who staunchly oppose Trump, these all could have been dealt with years ago - long before Trump. But too many people didn't take them seriously and didn't want to address them in earnest. They just assumed that all "right thinking" people would agree with them and scarcely gave it a second thought.

The fact that you find it "alarming" now is very telling, but I don't think you're looking at the big picture.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
It's not so much a matter of disliking the people who oppose Trump as much as disliking their tactics and methods. If someone is incapable of actually putting forth a well-reasoned argument and does nothing but act like a complete smart-a** (such as the individual I was addressing in the post that you quoted), then one really has to wonder.

I've seen this as a constant pattern among those who jump on the anti-Trump bandwagon. I'm not saying this about you, but there are so many who come across as parrots and political hacks. It doesn't take too long before they start resorting to ridicule, condescension, and verbal abuse - and then they wonder why people don't take them seriously or believe anything they say.

As far as which horrid decisions have been made, we can examine that on a case-by-case basis. For example, on tariffs, they're not exactly unprecedented in American history. We've had plenty of times in our history when tariffs were a fact of life (perhaps even the majority of this country's existence). It didn't mean it was the end of America. Some people exaggerate way too much and think the roof will fall in. Do you consider that to be a reasoned approach to the issues facing this country?

It's also a matter of principles over personalities. Truth be told, a lot of people oppose Trump for no other reason than they dislike his personality. They think he's offensive and rude. Somehow, he offends and upsets the sensibilities of "polite society," and this is what people attack the most. But I would also question whether that's a reasoned approach as well.

This is what I'm observing in all of this, in that people are taking more of a surface-level approach to the whole debate. If you think that I'm wrong about that, then by all means, please try to show me where.
I agree. They argue that the Mexicans are rapists and we need a wall, or else. Muslims are terrorists we need a ban or else. We need to repeal Obama care or else.

It seems that hyperbole is found everywhere one looks. I have attacked Trumps demeanor. I do not think it is the characteristic of a good leader, nor is it helpful diplomatically. It is akin to swearing. If someone went about saying f### this and screw that every other word, they would be foolish not to realize that they would alienate certain groups. Trump has alienated these groups. They did not trick him into making racially charged statements. No one twisted his words to make them offensive generalizations. No one made Trump lie, or switch positions, or exaggerate, or whine or constantly attack others. This is who Trump is. And while you may not think it is rational to judge a public figure responsible for diplomacy on characteristics which are directly related to public opinion and foreign relations, I do. In fact, I think it is irrational to ignore these facets. The question is not if it affects his job, but how it affects his job. It may very well be that I am mistaken and this is somehow more beneficial than detrimental to the U.S. or you could take the stance that you are apathetic towards these detrimental as long as A,B, and C happen as those or of a higher priority.

Just don't pretend that image doesn't matter for the president. It does. And it has a direct effect on us. While you may be tired of people taking a hyperbolic approach, (and I get that, I really do), others are tired of an apathetic approach that disregards others as long as there is a bump in the stock market.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Democrats, and Hillary, did have positive policies that were countered by constant misinformation. There is a huge list that informed voters went by instead of who was able to zing who the best.

Trump is the one with no policies, aside from being a complete authoritarian and reversing anything Obama with no replacement or plan.

Here is a bit of history of what Dems stand for. I’m not democrat though I’m independent. I vote Repub Indoendent or Dem depending.
Facebook_image_Republican_Accomplishments.jpg



Well, they did end slavery and pass the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, if that means anything to anyone. The backward, redneck state of Wyoming was the first to grant women the right to vote. (Just playing Devil's Advocate here.)

The first Moon landings were actually under Nixon, by the way. Nixon ended the Vietnam War which was started by a Democrat.

But yeah, a lot of these accomplishments came under FDR and Truman, but that's ancient history. What have the Democrats done for us lately? The supposed "accomplishments" attributed to Clinton and Obama are hardly impressive by any standard, certainly not worthy of being associated with a truly great individual like FDR.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
So, the fact that you disagree with Trump and what he is doing - is that because of Trump's beliefs or your beliefs?

People might still see negative aspects of Trump's agendas, but it's also a matter of consistency in principles and beliefs. It's also a matter of how seriously one wants to take the issues in question.

Fact is, a lot of the issues we're facing now that seem to be the bugbears for those who staunchly oppose Trump, these all could have been dealt with years ago - long before Trump. But too many people didn't take them seriously and didn't want to address them in earnest. They just assumed that all "right thinking" people would agree with them and scarcely gave it a second thought.

The fact that you find it "alarming" now is very telling, but I don't think you're looking at the big picture.
My belief is simple, all humans are equal in the eyes of god and love is the best basis for law. Trumps actions and words go against just about everything I fundamentally stand for. I do see the big picture I’m not retarded.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Democrats, and Hillary, did have positive policies that were countered by constant misinformation. There is a huge list that informed voters went by instead of who was able to zing who the best.

Trump is the one with no policies, aside from being a complete authoritarian and reversing anything Obama with no replacement or plan.

Here is a bit of history of what Dems stand for. I’m not democrat though I’m independent. I vote Repub Indoendent or Dem depending.
Facebook_image_Republican_Accomplishments.jpg

That list is a bit disingenuous. The very first claim is such an example. It was supported by both parties. Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican president openly supported it. The main opposition to it came from the deep south which was Democratic at that time. They only credit Wilson with it because he was President when it passed. Now if they were fair they would keep this standard, but they did not. The Moon landing occurred under Nixon's administration (though he was no friend of the space program). To be fair Women's Right to Vote is more of a Republican accomplishment than a Democratic one, and the Moon landing was more of a Democratic Accomplishment than a Republican one.

And if you want a Republican accomplishment Nixon had a few. The EPA comes to mind.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
BTW, to my question above, it was because Wyoming was trying to attract women to the state as there were hardly any. Lots of horny men running around doesn't lead to much stability, and there weren't many sheep there.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Forget about any reason you may have had for not wanting Hillary Clinton in office. That's in the past. Trump won the election and now serves as our President. My question to you is,


Why do you continue to support Trump?


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Same reason why Democrats didn't win the presidential election.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Why did you lose then?
Like I said Trump supporters, to this day, prefer alternative facts. They believe Trumps misinformation and alternate reality. Didn’t stop Trump from losing the majority popular vote and his antics these days doesn’t look good for them come November.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Like I said Trump supporters, to this day, prefer alternative facts. They believe Trumps misinformation and alternate reality. Didn’t stop Trump from losing the majority popular vote and his antics these days doesn’t look good for them come November.
You still lost. There's a reason why Democrats did.
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
They did not trick him into making racially charged statements. No one twisted his words to make them offensive generalizations. No one made Trump lie, or switch positions, or exaggerate, or whine or constantly attack others. This is who Trump is.
I'm positive he is being manipulated.
 
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