The "bacon cheeseburger" is a metaphor for prohibited foods.
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I relish our technological & cultural advancements which give
us the affordable & readily available baco-chee-burger.
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As a fellow mischievous wag, this should've been obvious!
I relish our technological & cultural advancements which give
us the affordable & readily available baco-chee-burger.
leibowde84
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It seems to say that slavery is OK. And, while slavery was common back then, shouldn't Paul, with his divine inspiration and all, have known better and not condone slavery as being normal (OK)?
I am very attached to Mother Church.
I don't like seeing Catholics continue the descent into moral and cultural irrelevance. Please reconsider.
Please make the disaster of divorce a bigger deal than people trying to marry. Jesus was very clear on that subject.
Tom
It has been the very attempt to be culturally relevant that has turned the practice of Roman Rite Catholicism into a shadow of its former self. You'd think the hierarchy would have seen by now that watering everything down hasn't reformed or revived anything, and yet...
Convictions are worth nothing if they take back seat to the support of whatever liberal fad is currently being pushed. There are too many (clergy are lay alike) who seem hellbent on mimicking the doctrinal and moral suicide of the Church of England.
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Relevance is not a bad thing, let alone something to be avoided for the sake of keepíng true to a lack of vision.
DavidFirth
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It doesn't make slavery okay. Read Philemon. It is a letter from Paul to a Christian slave owner pretty much begging Philemon to be kind to his slaves, especially Onesimus, who was a Christian slave that had run away to aid Paul in prison.
Paul reminds Christian slave owners that they should treat slaves with love just as God loves them.
Quite the opposite, Catholicism has a vision, a deep and profound one, but it is not the vision supported by the now essentially atheistic culture. The Church's purpose is to bring souls to Christ (without shying from the hard truths that entails) not to rubber stamp the ever more libertine convictions of the secular culture.
If the Church won't take its own faith seriously, then no one else should either. The modernist 'vision' is to simply trade away the faith at every turn until there's nothing left but sappy sentimentally for the few who'd even bother at all at that point.
Allowing itself to learn better is part of taking its own faith seriously. Refusing to is the opposite.
Indeed, and I have learned that hope is found only in Christ, not in the worship of Asmodeus.
The vision you advocate is nothing but relativism and soft nihilism. I have already tried such a philosophy it leads nowhere but to spiritual ruin.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Why didn't he just tell them that they should be freed?
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Why don't you pray and ask God? You think I am in a position to judge God?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I was talking about what Paul claimed in his letter, not God.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
You have my answer.
Pray to Paul?
Tom
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
You can read better than that.
You are the one confusing "Paul said.." with God.
Tom
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Hmm. You don't know that Paul claimed to be speaking from the Holy Spirit except when he specifically stated that he wasn't?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Can you explain how that was an answer to my question. What you are saying seems to not make sense because I wasn't asking about claims made by God. I was talking about the claims made by Paul in the letter you referred to.