Babies in heaven... Right or wrong?

[ChristineES]

I don't believe that in "heaven" there will changing of diapers and all that. I believe the child will be a mature human.

 

[rusra02]

Well your reasoning almost works. One little problem though. In heaven or if you would like paradise on Earth, are people going to die, or live forever? If you answer live forever, then what will these babies be brought back as? Will they grow up, and if so grow up to what? How old will they get? Why is there even age in eternity? That is where your logic falls apart. :yes:


No .lava, there is no such thing taught from the bible, but I am SURE someone will come along and say their brand of Christianity does teach such a thing. I suppose I am restricting the conversation specific scripture and not interpretation (if that is even possible )

The babies brought forth in the resurrection will be brought back in the resurrection as what they were when they died... babies. Of course they will grow up, as all babies grow up, to be either adult men or women. Once they reach maturity as perfect adults, they will not 'age' in the sense of growing old. You are correct that age will be unimportant when God grants everlasting life to perfect people. It will make no difference is one is 30 years, 300 years, or 3000 years old. This was God's original purpose, for righteous people to live forever on an earth made into a paradise. It is not my 'logic'. It is what the Bible promises, and God cannot lie. (Titus 1:2).
The ultimate destiny of anyone resurrected will depend what they do after their resurrection, and their obedience to God or their disobedience. Any (including babies) that are resurrected and thereafter refuse to submit to God's rulership will have their judgement from God. (John 5:28,29)

 

[.lava]

I don't believe that in "heaven" there will changing of diapers and all that. I believe the child will be a mature human.

i also believe child would be a mature human

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[Smoke]

Actually, people go to hell for misrepresentation.

It is characteristic of certain types of religionists that they always think they know which of their neighbors ought to be eternally damned, and why.

 

[kai]

i also believe child would be a mature human

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but with no memories? no experiences? weird!!

 

[.lava]

but with no memories? no experiences? weird!!

they'd have childhood memories. but who needs experiences and memories while experiencing complete extacy?

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[Just_me_Mike]

The babies brought forth in the resurrection will be brought back in the resurrection as what they were when they died... babies. Of course they will grow up, as all babies grow up, to be either adult men or women. Once they reach maturity as perfect adults, they will not 'age' in the sense of growing old. You are correct that age will be unimportant when God grants everlasting life to perfect people. It will make no difference is one is 30 years, 300 years, or 3000 years old. This was God's original purpose, for righteous people to live forever on an earth made into a paradise. It is not my 'logic'. It is what the Bible promises, and God cannot lie. (Titus 1:2).
The ultimate destiny of anyone resurrected will depend what they do after their resurrection, and their obedience to God or their disobedience. Any (including babies) that are resurrected and thereafter refuse to submit to God's rulership will have their judgement from God. (John 5:28,29)

If that was the case, Adam and Eve would have been born as babies, but they were not. So I am not sure why babies need to be part of it? You are speaking in SUCH ABSOLUTE terms, when in fact you are mixing absolute words from the bible with your emotional reasoning. That is not what this thread is about.
I can reason all day long and make up theories about what God is or isn't, or what God will or won't do, but no where in the bible does it say babies will grow and age in heaven. NO WHERE!

So again, from the bible support your theories. I am not trying to be difficult, but asking for more than your ideas about this or that.

 

[DallasApple]

There is no future if you die .

If you are a baby and die you never had a life.They are "blank minds".They drool ..they pee and poop when the urge comes..They may be thinking but about what God only knows.

They can be mean and fiesty though once they get up there around 18 months (sometimes earlier) ..So I think in that case if they die they should burn in hell for eternity.

Love

Dallas

 

[kai]

how about teenagers they can be very stroppy do they stay teenagers for eternity, and old people do they stay old and frail? This Heaven place sounds really bad we all get to be stepford wives.

 

[Madasin]

There are no babies in heaven, there is no heaven. The body is an illusion, a vehicle we create simply for the experience of being here. We choose to come here and we choose when to leave. We hurt when someone dies because we don't understand this unless we are awake and remembering.

 

[rusra02]

If that was the case, Adam and Eve would have been born as babies, but they were not. So I am not sure why babies need to be part of it? You are speaking in SUCH ABSOLUTE terms, when in fact you are mixing absolute words from the bible with your emotional reasoning. That is not what this thread is about.
I can reason all day long and make up theories about what God is or isn't, or what God will or won't do, but no where in the bible does it say babies will grow and age in heaven. NO WHERE!

So again, from the bible support your theories. I am not trying to be difficult, but asking for more than your ideas about this or that.

Please read my post carefully. There are NO babies in heaven. The babies who will return to life on earth are those human babies born on earth, who have died or been killed. The Bible promises a resurrection for all those in God's memory. That is not a theory I made up. It is what the Bible teaches. Once babies are resurrected, they will inevitably grow, as all babies do. God created Adam and Eve,the first man and woman, as special creations. He then told them to become many and fill the earth, obviously through procreation. Again, that is what the Bible says in Genesis chapters 1 and 2.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Please read my post carefully. There are NO babies in heaven. The babies who will return to life on earth are those human babies born on earth, who have died or been killed. The Bible promises a resurrection for all those in God's memory. That is not a theory I made up. It is what the Bible teaches. Once babies are resurrected, they will inevitably grow, as all babies do. God created Adam and Eve,the first man and woman, as special creations. He then told them to become many and fill the earth, obviously through procreation. Again, that is what the Bible says in Genesis chapters 1 and 2.

Your two problems are in bold. No where in the bible does it say that, or imply that.

Again, that is what the Bible says

No, it's not :no:

 

[tarasan]

So, I just got done listening to prominent Christian teachers explain why babies go to heaven by default. They cited a few biblical passage from both Old and New Testaments, and for the most part made logical arguments. To summarize:

• Jesus loved little children, as evidence that he made it a point to tell people heaven was made of people just like children
• God often talks about his mercy, and if God was behind children dying or allowed it to happen, it doesn't matter because in his love they automatically go to heaven. As evidenced by the bible frequently saying God is a God of love, and disallowing babies into heaven is not an act of love.
• Lastly, babies neither have the ability or capacity to deny or accept Jesus or God and as such are covered by God's love, and get a pass into heaven.

So, I listened quietly, and after everyone was done speaking, I nodded my head. I simply asked one question, and was unable to get a reply. So I will ask those of you that teach such things the same question.

If God can see the future and see the past, is it not fair to say God knows whether or not a particular baby would ever have accepted God or Jesus?

Now, I got no serious replies, and in fact I think I made some angry. However, I think it is a valid question. To God, why would it matter if it was a baby or not? God knows everyone's heart today and even into the future does he not? Is God limited in this capacity?

The reason I bring this up, is it seems like such a big deal in Christian circles. However, using the logic I am suggesting simply opens the discussion back up for further review.

surely knowing what they would do if they were adults is irrelevant. If they died as children, they would not have had the choice to be said person, so judging them on something they did not do sounds wrong to not only a God of love but also a God of justice.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

surely knowing what they would do if they were adults is irrelevant. If they died as children, they would not have had the choice to be said person, so judging them on something they did not do sounds wrong to not only a God of love but also a God of justice.

In the natural course of things, I agree. If a baby is born and then dies five minutes later, does that baby actually have a future that only God knows about? That is probably irrelevant, but not something outside of God's understanding.

However, if God destroys people in a flood or the end of the world, now we have an unnatural event, and those children that died, may have gone on to be adults if not for the intervention of God. Do you understand?

 

[Smoke]

So I think in that case if they die they should burn in hell for eternity.

Everywhere you look in the Bible, God is either killing babies or telling somebody else to do it. And when Herod killed all the male babies in Bethlehem, God gave Jesus' family a heads up, but say a word to warn the other parents. It's pretty clear he doesn't like babies.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Everywhere you look in the Bible, God is either killing babies or telling somebody else to do it. And when Herod killed all the male babies in Bethlehem, God gave Jesus' family a heads up, but say a word to warn the other parents. It's pretty clear he doesn't like babies.

Or knows they will become God haters

 

[tarasan]

In the natural course of things, I agree. If a baby is born and then dies five minutes later, does that baby actually have a future that only God knows about? That is probably irrelevant, but not something outside of God's understanding.

However, if God destroys people in a flood or the end of the world, now we have an unnatural event, and those children that died, may have gone on to be adults if not for the intervention of God. Do you understand?

I dont see why wouldnt be consistant with those children as well, I mean what could God judge those children on? Why after letting them die would he judge them on a higher power than anyone else? I think it would inconsistant if he did. After all it was him that did it, so you could say the reason he did it is because he knew that they would recieve and afterlife of happiness.

if that makes sense i think i should go more indepth if you dont.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I dont see why wouldnt be consistant with those children as well, I mean what could God judge those children on? Why after letting them die would he judge them on a higher power than anyone else? I think it would inconsistant if he did. After all it was him that did it, so you could say the reason he did it is because he knew that they would recieve and afterlife of happiness.

if that makes sense i think i should go more indepth if you dont.

Two points.

First, my suggestions in the thread are derived from what the bible has to offer. All counter arguments so far have been on emotional appeal.

Second, your signature is off balance. You claim, you don't debate to win, but to learn. Know that observation and dialog help better with learning, and when you are sure of something then you should call it debating.

The object of debating is to be sure of your positions, so if you are not sure, don't call it debating

Edit: In other words no one debates to learn, even though learning may happen, they debate to win.

 

[Smoke]

Or knows they will become God haters

You really can't blame God for disliking babies. They don't pray, they don't tithe, and they're never on the right page in the hymnal. They're selfish, greedy, and demanding. They never have anything interesting to add to the conversation and they never offer to drive anybody to the airport.

 

[tarasan]

Two points.

First, my suggestions in the thread are derived from what the bible has to offer. All counter arguments so far have been on emotional appeal.

Second, your signature is off balance. You claim, you don't debate to win, but to learn. Know that observation and dialog help better with learning, and when you are sure of something then you should call it debating.

The object of debating is to be sure of your positions, so if you are not sure, don't call it debating

Edit: In other words no one debates to learn, even though learning may happen, they debate to win.

firstly what u ask isnt found the bible is it? if you grant that in the bible God gives salvation to children then you have to give me scripture saying that he doesnt give it to children who are killed via waith. If you cannot then we have to assume that he treats all the children equally surely.

as for your second point i concede that yes I see now that it makes no sense XD, I shall change it when i remember and have a replacement at hand .