That would be me, and trust me, I don't party hardy. That also applies to lots of atheists and almost all members of dharmic faiths. OTOH, there are also hypocrites within Abrahamic faiths who do party hardy. But go ahead, think as you must.
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Baha'i and Science
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That would be me, and trust me, I don't party hardy. That also applies to lots of atheists and almost all members of dharmic faiths. OTOH, there are also hypocrites within Abrahamic faiths who do party hardy. But go ahead, think as you must.
Trailblazer
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Most of them end up arguing about their beliefs if they discuss them, Jews and Christians for example.
The reason I steer away from discussions with Christians and Jews is because it inevitably leads to my saying what Baha'is believe and then it turns into an argument. They think they are right and we are wrong; they have to believe that in order to maintain their beliefs. I do not believe they are wrong, only that my religion is newer and more pertinent to the times. But they have to disagree with any religion that came after their religion because they believe their religion is the last and final religion revealed by God.
Of course, this is peculiar to the Abrahamic religions; Buddhists and Hindus do not seem to think that way, which is why it is easier to converse with them.
I find great variance among individuals. Some Hindus I know, I cannot have a conversation with about belief. Even with Baha'is on here (for example only), there is quite the variance. I disagree quite vehemently with some Hindus too, yet we can still be civil.
Trailblazer
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Yeah, I already know that. The ones who party hardy are the ones in the Abrahamic faiths, not the atheists or the Buddhists or the Hindus.
Those individuals are probably also the ones who commit most crimes. Maybe that is because of the 'saved and forgiven' guarantee.
PoetPhilosopher
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Christian Fundamentalism kind of gives me a mental toothache sometimes. It's not that all these people are bad, it's just I can often predict what they're going to say before they say it. Pretty soon, it's like they told me everything twice.
Yeah, I already know that. The ones who party hardy are the ones in the Abrahamic faiths, not the atheists or the Buddhists or the Hindus.
I had a colleague with that syndrome. He was a horrible man. Stole money off the secretary's desk, spoke to his students about the color of their panties, and was a total sponge, never paying his way. Not a great teacher or person at all. I had changed my name that year so at the end of the year he asked me whether or not I thought he was a good Christian. I let him have it. lol. He didn't get his temporary contract renewed and moved on to a private Christian school. The board chairman phoned our school about 6 months into the year wondering what was up. My principal let loose as well. For some reason, his contract wasn't renewed there either.
OTOH, I know a lot of really wonderful Christians. Another colleague was ans is one of the warmest nicest people I've ever met. Like me, she never mentioned faith at all.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I share a lot more in common with atheists than with most religious believers.
You do not share anything with anyone. You want the whole world to you, governed by Bahais and bowing to Bahaullah.
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PoetPhilosopher
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Atheists - serving people since 1859.
Trailblazer
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I think a lot of it has to do with personality types, not just beliefs. I think we tend to gravitate to people who are more like us because we feel more comfortable and we can talk on the same wavelength. I get very uncomfortable as soon as someone gets very persistent about something they believe or disbelieve, insisting they are right, because I know I am going to have to fight with them or acquiesce or withdraw and I do not like any of those choices. I have learned a new way, but it is an art I developed over a long period of time posting to one atheist for over five years. It seems to be working so far.
The arguing did not used to bother me, in fact I even liked it, but I have changed a lot over the years and now I cannot tolerate the arguing anymore.
Same goes for me and some other Baha'is, including my husband, but we try to be civil.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
What else one from Abrahamic relegion will say other than "Obey my commandments". Bahaullah went one ahead and said "love my beauty". Total narcissism.
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He was quite the creative writer in this regard, I give him that. He makes 'Sri Sri Sri la Sri' look like some fool's honorarium.
For sure.
Well that was predictable. All credit to the leader, lol.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
What kind of sex are you talking about. Yeah, sure, it is the desire of two people.
Abstaining from sex would have violated "dharma" and a vow that we took at the time of our marriage: To find pleasure in one another and to procreate. As you know sex is one of the four 'must do' things in Hinduism - Artha (Earn for living and charity), Kama (sex for pleasure and procreation), Dharma (fulfill duties towards the family and society) and Moksha (getting rid of ignorance and acquiring knowledge).
Trailblazer
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It is true that we should never generalize about people of any faith, race, creed or color.
Your little story reminds me of a custodian I met at work on the second shift, because I stayed at work after my regular hours to do homework related to a school program that was related to my job. As the story goes, he got a crush on me and he loved talking about sex, but I didn't. He even told me my marital problems were because I was not having sex. He also stole slips out of my drawer.
Once, many years later, he came over to my house and asked if I wanted my slips back and my husband was standing right there. But my husband could not care less because he knows I would never go with another man.This man was a fundamentalist Christian and he felt bad that he was having sex outside of wedlock and called it fornication and thought he was going to hell, so I know he had a conscience. Last I heard he wanted to marry his girlfriend but I don't know if that ever transpired. He was a very good Christian so I would never judge him just because he had these sexual urges.
Another Christian, an upright Methodist minister's son, was a man I dated back in college and he tried to get me to have sex then but I declined. Then about 20 years later, he saw me walking in a neighborhood near where I worked and struck up a conversation with me. At that time I had probably been married about 10 years and he had been married himself for 30 years, but he had had this crush on me all those years. So we met for lunch and he tried to get me to go hot tubbing with him, and of course I said no. Then he wanted me to go camping alone with him and I said no. I told my husband I was considering going camping with him and he did not shrug a shoulder. You would think my husband would have been a little concerned.
Of course all Christians are not like that. Both bosses I have had where I work now were/are long married and would never go with another woman. Both have high morals and live by the Golden Rule.
One more funny story..... About a year ago, our division manager, and another devout Christian who is my bosses boss, heard me panicking because I could not find my marriage certificate (I needed it to sign up for social security) and I was worried that it had never been filed, so I said that I would have been "living in sin" for about 33 years. As a Baha'i, this would not have been my fault because it was the responsibility of the Baha'is conducting the ceremony to file it, but I was still worried because I thought I was not legally married. I was really worried until I called my husband and he told me to check with the city where we were living at the time, not where we got married in El Cajon, CA. Then I called the recording clerk in Redding, CA and I found out that it had been filed there. I was so relieved.
The funny thing is that I was joking with the division manager that I was going to go to hell for living in sin all those years, and he did not even seem to take that seriously. Rather, he thought it was so funny and I was bring ridiculous. It was good for a few laughs though, the whole floor got involved, and my boss who is quite austere and rarely laughs was also laughing. I guess those Christians did not understand how seriously we Baha'is take the marriage law because nobody at work knows I am a Baha'i except a few close friends.
One more anecdote.... Before I located the marriage certificate I told my husband that if we had never been married now was his chance to get away. As usual, I could not get the slightest rise out of him.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
She forgets
, atheism in Hinduism is as old as Hinduism itself. The 'Creation Hymn' in our foremost book "RigVeda" says:"Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation?
The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being?"
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.
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Trailblazer
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I do not know where you got such a crazy idea. I want no such thing and it is not ever going to happen anyway because Baha'is do not get involved in the government of their respective nations.
I do share constantly with atheists or anyone who wants to talk to me and I do share some of the sentiments of atheists when it comes to God.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Why. Anyone else's beliefs have nothing to do with you. I am perfectly comfortable with theists including my family.
Trailblazer
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I was not suggesting you abstain from sex.
That is not what I have heard about Hinduism and sex.
I guess the different sects of Hinduism have different beliefs.
In Hinduism there are two paths ... the renunciate (no sex, celibacy) and the householder. There are slight variations between sects, but mostly within the householder path its all a matter of personal choice.