Bahai's and the Bible. Errant or Inerrant. Holistic or cherry picking?

[TransmutingSoul]

That would mean that what Jesus said about the Spirit of Truth leading us into all truth is not true, and so Baha'u'llah is not the Spirit of Truth.
And of course he was not a spirit anyway.

You could offer where it says we would one an all accept the Truth?

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus tells us the flesh amounts to nothing and it is the Spirit that is life.

John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Don't get your hopes up. What Baha'u'llah said about being the Spirit of Truth leading us to all truth is true so Baha'u'llah is the Spirit of Truth.

The Spirit of Truth is a title that belongs exclusively to Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah refers to Jesus as the Spirit of God, whereas Baha'u'llah implies that He is the Spirit of Truth who will guide us into all truth.

“O kings of Christendom! Heard ye not the saying of Jesus, the Spirit of God, "I go away, and come again unto you"? (John 14:28). Wherefore, then, did ye fail, when He did come again unto you in the clouds of heaven, to draw nigh unto Him, that ye might behold His face, and be of them that attained His Presence? In another passage He saith: "When He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth." And yet behold how, when He did bring the truth, ye refused to turn your faces towards Him, and persisted in disporting yourselves with your pastimes and fancies. (John 16:13).” The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 191

Jesus did not guide us into all truth, because humanity was not ready to hear all truth 2000 years ago...... That is why Jesus said:

John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

So I see one has to ask themselves, when Muhammad came, was He a "Spirit of Truth"? Also what about the Bab?

By offering the title exclusively, would it not be fair and reasonable to say that Christianity could reject Muhammad and the Bab, as they were not that 'Spirit of Truth'. Also would it not support the stance of the Jew, as Jesus, Muhammad and the Bab are not the Messiah.

Also did not Muhammad and the Bab as the 'Spirit of Truth', guide us unto all truth. Where is it saying we will except 'All Truth'?

Abdul'Baha says;

"..In the Gospels it is written that the Christ said: "I have many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now! But when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you unto all knowledge." Christ is alluding to a person, because he says, "When he is come, he will not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak." This means by the power of innate knowledge.

The Spirit of Truth is the power of Innate knowledge, does that not describe every Message from God?

@firedragon

Abdul'baha also ties together the Spirit of Truth and Spirit of God in the same human frame.

"..For instance, in reference to the Promised One that must come after Christ, it is said in John 16:12: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak.”

Now consider carefully that the words “for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak” clearly imply that the Spirit of truth is embodied in a Man Who has a soul, Who has ears to hear and a tongue to speak. Likewise Christ is called the "Spirit of God”, in the same way that we speak of the light and yet mean both the light and the lamp."

I have come to the terms that no matter how much I know, I see I am yet to know anything and if we start to make exclusive statements, I see we have missed the point of Oneness. Oneness to me omits exclusion. The Message of Baha'u'llah, to me, is the Culmination of all what the 'Spirit of Truth' has offered, thus in this revelation we get a glimpse of the full potential of all the Messengers.

I will leave it there Susan, stay well, stay happy, Love from my wife and I to you and yours.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

So I see one has to ask themselves, when Muhammad came, was He a "Spirit of Truth"? Also what about the Bab?

By offering the title exclusively, would it not be fair and reasonable to say that Christianity could reject Muhammad and the Bab, as they were not that 'Spirit of Truth'. Also would it not support the stance of the Jew, as Jesus, Muhammad and the Bab are not the Messiah.

I do not see it that way. Just because Baha'u'llah held the Title "Spirit of Truth" that does not mean the other Messengers of God were not from God and did not reveal God's Truth.

By giving Baha'u'llah a certain Title, that is not discriminating against any of the other Messengers.

“Beware, O believers in the Unity of God, lest ye be tempted to make any distinction between any of the Manifestations of His Cause, or to discriminate against the signs that have accompanied and proclaimed their Revelation. This indeed is the true meaning of Divine Unity, if ye be of them that apprehend and believe this truth. Be ye assured, moreover, that the works and acts of each and every one of these Manifestations of God, nay whatever pertaineth unto them, and whatsoever they may manifest in the future, are all ordained by God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Whoso maketh the slightest possible difference between their persons, their words, their messages, their acts and manners, hath indeed disbelieved in God, hath repudiated His signs, and betrayed the Cause of His Messengers.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 59-60

This is not a perfect analogy, but just because Jesus held the Title "Messiah" that does not mean that Baha'u'llah was not also a Messiah. Both of them were Messiahs.

 

[firedragon]

So I see one has to ask themselves, when Muhammad came, was He a "Spirit of Truth"? Also what about the Bab?

By offering the title exclusively, would it not be fair and reasonable to say that Christianity could reject Muhammad and the Bab, as they were not that 'Spirit of Truth'. Also would it not support the stance of the Jew, as Jesus, Muhammad and the Bab are not the Messiah.

Also did not Muhammad and the Bab as the 'Spirit of Truth', guide us unto all truth. Where is it saying we will except 'All Truth'?

Abdul'Baha says;

"..In the Gospels it is written that the Christ said: "I have many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now! But when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you unto all knowledge." Christ is alluding to a person, because he says, "When he is come, he will not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak." This means by the power of innate knowledge.

The Spirit of Truth is the power of Innate knowledge, does that not describe every Message from God?

@firedragon

Abdul'baha also ties together the Spirit of Truth and Spirit of God in the same human frame.

"..For instance, in reference to the Promised One that must come after Christ, it is said in John 16:12: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak.”

Now consider carefully that the words “for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak” clearly imply that the Spirit of truth is embodied in a Man Who has a soul, Who has ears to hear and a tongue to speak. Likewise Christ is called the "Spirit of God”, in the same way that we speak of the light and yet mean both the light and the lamp."

I have come to the terms that no matter how much I know, I see I am yet to know anything and if we start to make exclusive statements, I see we have missed the point of Oneness. Oneness to me omits exclusion. The Message of Baha'u'llah, to me, is the Culmination of all what the 'Spirit of Truth' has offered, thus in this revelation we get a glimpse of the full potential of all the Messengers.

I will leave it there Susan, stay well, stay happy, Love from my wife and I to you and yours.

Regards Tony

Yep. I understand what you say. I agree that all the prophets etc had the same attributes. All good. But, you are trying to prove Bahaullah is not the prophesied Spirit of truth, he is just one of them and all the prophets are "Spirits of truth", but you are quoting the Bible. You are quoting the Gospel of John.

I will show you why you are being illogical.

1. The Gospel of John says "until Jesus goes away, the Spirit of Truth cannot come"
2. In your logic, Jesus was a "Spirit of Truth". So how could he say "Spirit of truth has to go away so that the Spirit of truth can come"?
3. Thus either Jesus is just saying nonsense, or the writer of John is saying nonsense. Thus, bottom like is, everything about this is nonsense.

Thats according to you.

What you have done is something like this.

God has an attribute called "Rab" or "Lord", and since Lord Soulberry is "Lord", he also must be God. Research what kind of logical fallacy that is.

Bahaullah says that he is the Spirit of Truth. I dont believe in these prophesies. But it was Bahaullah who said this, and his reference is very specific to the Bible, and with that phrase he only refers to himself.

I think in discussion you got caught to the flow brother and you are insistent in arguing this for no reason.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But, you are trying to prove Bahaullah is not the prophesied Spirit of truth, he is just one of them and all the prophets are "Spirits of truth"

It seems I am being misunderstood, I am not tying to prove that at all. Of course I see that Baha'u'llah is the 'Spirit of Truth'.

This has become so distorted now, I will leave it alone and make no more reply.

Regards Tony

 

[firedragon]

It seems I am being misunderstood, I am not tying to prove that at all. Of course I see that Baha'u'llah is the 'Spirit of Truth'.

This has become so distorted now, I will leave it alone and make no more reply.

Regards Tony

Great. Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

I am not a Bahai. But I will honestly try my levels best in my life to never misquote a theology, its scripture or its founder. Everyone could make mistakes, and a mistake can be corrected and I am open to correction.

Peace.

 

[Brian2]

You could offer where it says we would one an all accept the Truth?

Regards Tony

That does not matter. If he is to lead us into all truth then he is to lead us into all truth.
Think of it as I'm just trying to help you to see that the loss of those things from the Baha'u'llah writings was really no loss of truth. It was just repetition of things already said.

 

[Brian2]

Don't get your hopes up. What Baha'u'llah said about being the Spirit of Truth leading us to all truth is true so Baha'u'llah is the Spirit of Truth.

The Spirit of Truth is a title that belongs exclusively to Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah refers to Jesus as the Spirit of God, whereas Baha'u'llah implies that He is the Spirit of Truth who will guide us into all truth.

“O kings of Christendom! Heard ye not the saying of Jesus, the Spirit of God, "I go away, and come again unto you"? (John 14:28). Wherefore, then, did ye fail, when He did come again unto you in the clouds of heaven, to draw nigh unto Him, that ye might behold His face, and be of them that attained His Presence? In another passage He saith: "When He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth." And yet behold how, when He did bring the truth, ye refused to turn your faces towards Him, and persisted in disporting yourselves with your pastimes and fancies. (John 16:13).” The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 191

Jesus did not guide us into all truth, because humanity was not ready to hear all truth 2000 years ago...... That is why Jesus said:

John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

I guess if he sees Jesus as a spirit then it is no big leap to say that he also is a spirit.

 

[Brian2]

Jesus tells us the flesh amounts to nothing and it is the Spirit that is life.

There are 5 levels of Spirit in this world, the Vegetable Spirit, the Animal Spirit and us born of the Human Spirit need to be born again in acceptance of the Holy Spirit through the Spirit of Faith.

There is a lot that Christ has now told us, we just have to widen our frames of feference Brian2.

All the best.

Regards Tony

Nevertheless our bodies are redeemed also by Jesus (Romans 8:23) and will be resurrected, just as Jesus was.

 

[Brian2]

A point to consider Brian2 is that many see that the Spirit in the Message of Baha'u'llah fully supports what is disclosed in the Bible.

At the same time what you would be offering is akin to what the Jews still offer abiut Jesus. They still offer that Christ changed the story of the Old Testament and they tested the Spirit behind Jesus and it disagrees with the Old Testament.

So the proofs you offer to the Jew for Jesus, you will find will be proofs you can also offer for Baha'u'llah.

Regards Tony

I guess if others think Baha'u'llah agrees with what the Bible says that must be right, and if the Jews do not think Jesus was the Messiah and He is, that must mean that Baha'u'llah is the return of Jesus and Christians are wrong.

 

[Trailblazer]

I guess if he sees Jesus as a spirit then it is no big leap to say that he also is a spirit.

Baha'u'llah did not see Jesus as a spirit. He saw Jesus as a Manifestation of God who came in the flesh.

 

[Trailblazer]

Nevertheless our bodies are redeemed also by Jesus (Romans 8:23) and will be resurrected, just as Jesus was.

The Bible is explicit that Jesus resurrected bodily and that believers will receive new bodies when they resurrect. It is the blessed hope of 1 Cor 15 and denying the bodily resurrection of Jesus is against orthodox Christian doctrine.

Why do you believe that there is no bodily resurrection? Bahai people believe in the Bible, and the Bible mentions a bodily resurrection. Is the resurrection physical or spiritual? - creation.com

Trailblazer said:

From your website:
When Jesus was raised from the dead, His body was transformed into a resurrection body that could never die again. In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul tells us that we can look forward to the exact same type of resurrection. In other words, Jesus experienced a human resurrection. This is a physical body, that differs from our fallen mortal bodies in that it will never age, suffer disease, or die.

There is nothing in the Bible that supports such a belief. There is no such thing as a physical body, that differs from our fallen mortal bodies in that it will never age, suffer disease, or die. It is not in the Bible, it is a misinterpretation of scripture. Below is a post I posted to another Christian a few months ago:

There is no such thing as a glorious spiritual body of incorruptible light. This is not in the Bible anywhere.

There is no such thing as a physical body that is transformed into an immortal body. It is not in the Bible anywhere. This is a Christian belief that came about because the Bible was misinterpreted. ALL these misconceptions about a Resurrection Body came about because Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead.

It is clear and plain what the Bible SAYS.

There are physical bodies and spiritual bodies, as Paul said. The physical body is the source of all corruption as the Bible says, it is the source of dishonor, it is weak, and that is because the physical body is subject to sin.

The spiritual body is incorruptible because spirit can never die. Paul said that the body is raised in glory and raised in power and that is because the spiritual body has glory and power. The soul (spirit) is glorified and has power because it was created by God.

Jesus said that spirit and flesh are not equivalent. The spirit quickens, the flesh profits nothing. The flesh profits nothing because it is subject to sin and it is mortal, not everlasting.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Baha’is believe that souls go to heaven and take on a spiritual body, which is the same thing as what Paul says in 1st Cor: We are raised in a spiritual body because only spiritual bodies can enter heaven.

1st Corinthians 15

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

The verse above says nothing about the physical body being changed into a glorified body that cannot die. The verses above clearly state that there are two kinds of bodies, a natural body and a spiritual body; we are sown in a natural body and we are raised in a spiritual body.

 

[Skywalker]

Trailblazer said:

From your website:
When Jesus was raised from the dead, His body was transformed into a resurrection body that could never die again. In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul tells us that we can look forward to the exact same type of resurrection. In other words, Jesus experienced a human resurrection. This is a physical body, that differs from our fallen mortal bodies in that it will never age, suffer disease, or die.

There is nothing in the Bible that supports such a belief. There is no such thing as a physical body, that differs from our fallen mortal bodies in that it will never age, suffer disease, or die. It is not in the Bible, it is a misinterpretation of scripture. Below is a post I posted to another Christian a few months ago:

There is no such thing as a glorious spiritual body of incorruptible light. This is not in the Bible anywhere.

There is no such thing as a physical body that is transformed into an immortal body. It is not in the Bible anywhere. This is a Christian belief that came about because the Bible was misinterpreted. ALL these misconceptions about a Resurrection Body came about because Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead.

It is clear and plain what the Bible SAYS.

There are physical bodies and spiritual bodies, as Paul said. The physical body is the source of all corruption as the Bible says, it is the source of dishonor, it is weak, and that is because the physical body is subject to sin.

The spiritual body is incorruptible because spirit can never die. Paul said that the body is raised in glory and raised in power and that is because the spiritual body has glory and power. The soul (spirit) is glorified and has power because it was created by God.

Jesus said that spirit and flesh are not equivalent. The spirit quickens, the flesh profits nothing. The flesh profits nothing because it is subject to sin and it is mortal, not everlasting.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Baha’is believe that souls go to heaven and take on a spiritual body, which is the same thing as what Paul says in 1st Cor: We are raised in a spiritual body because only spiritual bodies can enter heaven.

1st Corinthians 15

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

The verse above says nothing about the physical body being changed into a glorified body that cannot die. The verses above clearly state that there are two kinds of bodies, a natural body and a spiritual body; we are sown in a natural body and we are raised in a spiritual body.

The resurrection of Jesus supports that there is a bodily resurrection. Jesus resurrected into both a physical and a spiritual body. The glorified body of Jesus appeared in the room to his disciples. Jesus' Bodily Resurrection Teaches Immortality For the Whole Man in Both Body and Soul

Jesus' Bodily Resurrection Teaches Immortality
For the Whole Man in Both Body and Soul

By David J. Stewart | June 2018

1st Corinthians 15:53, “For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”

I was looking through my old book collection today and found a great book called, “JESUS CHRIST IS ALIVE,” by Dr. Laurence W. Miller, written in 1949. In the ongoing battle in some churches against the heresy of modalism, that is, the teaching that Jesus Christ DOESN'T have a body in Heaven, the following information will be very helpful to refute this false claim. On pages 73-78, Dr. Miller states:

If the resurrection of Christ was a pledge to the disciples of their own eventual resurrection from the dead, then the resurrection of Christ is of equal significance to all believers. The fact of the bodily resurrection of Christ is the only proof of the reality of immortality and life beyond death for the believer. Christ's bodily resurrection does not merely proclaim the fact of immortality which has always been postulated of man's soul, but His bodily resurrection teaches immortality for the whole man in both body and soul. It must be emphatically stated here that the doctrine of the immortality of the soul alone is not a doctrine of the Scriptures. This is only a pagan doctrine. Many of the pagan philosophers believed in the immortality of the soul. According to their philosophical speculation, the body was the source of all evil and death was welcomed by them as a means of escape for their souls from their evil bodies. Modernists have practically the same pagan conception of immortality which is limited to the soul and personality only and does not include the body in any way. The writer challenges any reader to prove from the New Testament where the word “soma” meaning “body” is ever used in a bad sense. It is true that the New Testament Scriptures command us to war against the flesh (sarx) and to overcome the lusts thereof, but it does not consider the body to be an enemy of the soul. The lustful flesh is quite different a thing from the body, which is a marvelous creation of God.

We know that the doctrine of the immortality of the soul only is not only foreign to the teachings of the Old Testament, but is foreign to the teachings of the Old Testament also. For the doctrine of immortality in the Old Testament is identical with that of the New testament. An immortality for both body and soul, or the whole man, is taught throughout the entire Bible.

It cannot be doubted that Job believed in the resurrection of the body and in the immortality for the whole man when he said, “For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God.” (Job 19:25-26) The Psalmist says, “Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.” (Psalm 16:9) Isaiah, the prophet, expresses his faith in the resurrection of his body when he says, “Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.” (Isaiah 26:19) And Daniel, the prophet, says, “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.” (Daniel 12:2-3)

There is no question about the teachings of the New Testament in regard to the doctrine of the immortality of the whole man. When Christ spoke of His own resurrection, He always meant the resurrection of His body. And whenever He spoke of His return to judge the world and to raise the dead, he always meant the resurrection of the dead bodies of men. He could refer to no other resurrection than to the bodily resurrection of men, because there is no other resurrection possible. What other resurrection could Christ have meant except the bodily resurrection when He says, “All that are in the graves shall hear his voice?” (John 5:28) A spiritual resurrection, which is a concept of modern religious liberalism, is a misnomer. Neither Jesus nor Paul were guilty of preaching a spiritual resurrection of man. They taught immortality for the whole man and without exception.

On the other hand, the Modernists, who are our twentieth century Sadducees, reject the doctrine of immortality for man's body because this would require a miracle—a miracle of the resurrection of a material body, which is in opposition to their naturalistic theories. They believe in neither the resurrection of the body nor of the flesh. They believe, to be sure, in the survival of the personality only, and in a mere ghostly persistence of men after death. They do not think that the body is an expression of the personality. This is in violent contrast to the sound thinking of Moberly who says,

“A human body is the necessary—it is the only method and condition on earth, of spiritual personality. It is capable of expressing spirit very badly; it is capable of belying it; it is in fact, almost always falling short of at least the ideal expression of it. And yet a body is the only method of spiritual life; and bodies are really vehicles and expressions of spirit; whilst the perfect ideal would certainly be, not spirit without body, but body which was the ideally perfect utterance of spirit.” (Moberly,Problems and Principles, p. 358.)

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Oh dear, I am out of here.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

Oh dear, I am out of here.

Regards Tony

I cannot say as how I blame you.

 

[Trailblazer]

Oh dear, I am out of here.

Regards Tony

They belie their own scriptures.... Oh well.

 

[Trailblazer]

The resurrection of Jesus supports that there is a bodily resurrection. Jesus resurrected into both a physical and a spiritual body. The glorified body of Jesus appeared in the room to his disciples. Jesus' Bodily Resurrection Teaches Immortality For the Whole Man in Both Body and Soul

"There is no question about the teachings of the New Testament in regard to the doctrine of the immortality of the whole man. When Christ spoke of His own resurrection, He always meant the resurrection of His body. And whenever He spoke of His return to judge the world and to raise the dead, he always meant the resurrection of the dead bodies of men. He could refer to no other resurrection than to the bodily resurrection of men, because there is no other resurrection possible. What other resurrection could Christ have meant except the bodily resurrection when He says, “All that are in the graves shall hear his voice?” (John 5:28) A spiritual resurrection, which is a concept of modern religious liberalism, is a misnomer. Neither Jesus nor Paul were guilty of preaching a spiritual resurrection of man. They taught immortality for the whole man and without exception."

That is absolutely false. “All that are in the graves shall hear his voice?” (John 5:28) refers to being spiritually dead, in the grave of spiritual ignorance. Below is the truth about the afterlife and the meaning of resurrection.

421. When the body is no longer able to perform the bodily functions in the natural world that correspond to the spirit’s thoughts and affections, which the spirit has from the spiritual world, man is said to die. This takes place when the respiration of the lungs and the beatings of the heart cease. But the man does not die; he is merely separated from the bodily part that was of use to him in the world, while the man himself continues to live. It is said that the man himself continues to live since man is not a man because of his body but because of his spirit, for it is the spirit that thinks in man, and thought with affection is what constitutes man. Evidently, then, the death of man is merely his passing from one world into another. And this is why in the Word in its internal sense “death” signifies resurrection and continuation of life. Heaven and Hell, p. 351

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I cannot say as how I blame you.

Maybe we can use logic. Logically, the result may be the same

It is Logical

Regards Tony