Not detecting much of the former.
Do the feelings of trans women matter?
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Do the feelings of trans women matter?
Calling something “common sense“ is a cheap tactic to make the unjustified seem justified without providing evidence or a reasonable argument. And the nonsensical garbage you are spewing is only going to make women feel more uncomfortable.
Yes, but from a utilitarian perspective, since they are outnumbered about 100,000 to 1, we must discard one-sided solutions. This is NOT to say we should ignore trans people's valid concerns. It is ONLY to say our solutions for them should not be zero sum.
tell us how male perps will somehow ignore this new opportunity...
What "new opportunity"? A sex predator is not going to stop because transgender women are not allowed in women's facilities. Either way, nothing about this is going to make cis women more or less secure.
I have to say, this idea that it it is ethically justifiable to discriminate against a minority because they are a minority is a disgusting perversion of utilitarian ethics.
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I have. We've talked about this very subject in the past. It's not convincing to me as "gender ****" is a tiny, tiny fringe group of people who don't represent trans people any more than the westboro Baptist church represents all of christianity. It's an intellectually dishonest misrepresentation
Demonizing a whole people group based on slippery slope fallacies because some people feel "uncomfortable" with it ain't a compelling reason to me
Wow, what a libelous misrepresentation of my statements!!
Nope, you're still not getting it. Sure, the trans population is small and the gender **** population is smaller still.
But the impact that the gender ****ers can have on normalization is significant. As I'm sure you know, radical extremists can shift overton windows, correct?
I'm not demonizing trans people. I do think the gender ****ers are being quite selfish however.
And AGAIN, this is not about feeling uncomfortable. This is about feeling legitimate fear.
Sue me.
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Then explain exactly what I'm not getting
You are talking about them in the same breath like they are part of the same category. They are not. Extreme fringe groups do not represent anything other than themselves
You saying that something is true doesn't make it true. Show me evidence of what they have done that's of any significance in the real world
That's a slippery slope fallacy. Some movements make strides, others fizzle out and die. There needs to be good evidence to support bold claims, otherwise you are just basing things on assumption
You bringing up gender **** doesn't make it have anything to do with normal everyday trans people
Experiencing fear doesn't make that fear legitimate - hence phobias. Transphobia is a very illegitimate fear to have
Frequently, that's not how society works. Frequently, we use our noggins to make likely predictions about how an action might turn out, and we sometimes advert tragedies before they might transpire.
It's not complex: ANY ACTIONS by ANY PEOPLE that make it normal for men to enter women's safe spaces are to be avoided.
FFS - this has NOTHING to do with fear of trans people!
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Depends. When those predictions are based on good evidence, like how seat belts help prevent car accident deaths or how smoking causes lung cancer, predictions based on good evidence averts tragedies. Predictions NOT based on good evidence actually tends to CREATE tragedies, like when we locked away countless Japanese Americans into internment camps during WW2 because we thought a few of them could be spies. Acting on fear without a concrete foundation of good evidence to build from is a bad way of thinking
No one is talking about men entering women's bathrooms. We are talking about trans women
Oh cool, then you have no problem trans women having the freedom to use women's restrooms
If it was Jews you were referring to instead of trans women I wonder if you would post such a thing.
Jazz hands hasn't worked, hmmm...
Biological men should not enter women's safe spaces.
What, that we should constrain ourselves from considering zero sum solutions? I don't think we should ever consider zero sum solutions, for anyone, unless and until all other options have been considered.
Perhaps we have different definitions of zero-sum???
I think your bias against marginalized groups is what the problem is. You still haven't explained what your problem is with trans people.
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Ahhh ok. Those biological men just happen to be trans. Trans women like this should be forced to use mens rooms and men's locker rooms, right?
That's what the posts appear to allude to.Ahhh ok. Those biological men just happen to be trans. Trans women like this should be forced to use mens rooms and men's locker rooms, right?
I sense a game...with suggestive claims
leading to inferences objected to using
plausible deniability.
Or it could simply be disorganized thinking,
& poor communication skills.
Soandso
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Eh... It could be construed as disorganized thinking and poor communication skills if I hadn't seen how the sentiment has been expressed over such a long period of time. Seems rather consistent to me