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Based on the premise that thoughts are spirit not substance

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Will God judge people who are possessed against their will?
Of course not! But if the person has every opportunity to be free but won't take it, he will be judged not for what he does, but for what he doesn't do. Be free.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Of course not! But if the person has every opportunity to be free but won't take it, he will be judged not for what he does, but for what he doesn't do. Be free.
How do you know if you're possessed or not? What's the criteria? What's the test?
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
Here again, we see the inability of religious minds to cope with the notion of process. Many phenomena are processes, like fire and thought and chemical bonding, yet the religious insist on considering them to be things.

The notion being promoted here that inanimate matter is intelligent is just more of the same. It is also hilarious. I am grateful for the entertainment.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Here again, we see the inability of religious minds to cope with the notion of process. Many phenomena are processes, like fire and thought and chemical bonding, yet the religious insist on considering them to be things.

The notion being promoted here that inanimate matter is intelligent is just more of the same. It is also hilarious. I am grateful for the entertainment.

Inanimate matter has found unity many many times over. Thoughts between people have not found unity. Almost never.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Good question

It might be why there is reason in staying with and going with the flock of God. Demons don't want to do that.
My experience does not fit that criteria or test. I met very good people who were unbelievers, and I met some really bad people in church. Going with the "flock of God" (whichever flock or God that may be) isn't good enough to test for demon possession. Sorry.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
My experience does not fit that criteria or test. I met very good people who were unbelievers, and I met some really bad people in church. Going with the "flock of God" (whichever flock or God that may be) isn't good enough to test for demon possession. Sorry.

LOL. Just maybe there is a true flock? Go with that one.
 

Straw Dog

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As far as I'm concerned, thoughts are subtle actions rather than spirit or substance. Attachment to material appearances and identification with dominant thought patterns cause excessive suffering. Discipline via various forms of meditation, contemplation, and visualization helps a great deal towards liberation from such entanglement.
 
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savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
As far as I'm concerned, thoughts are subtle actions rather than spirit or substance. Attachment to material appearances and identification with dominant thought patterns cause excessive suffering. Discipline via various forms of meditation, contemplation, and visualization helps a great deal towards liberation from such entanglement.

I can now see my stupid thread was worth the trouble. That is an excellent analysis. Thank you. I agree. But I think that two people contemplating still have a hard time agreeing. Agreement is rare among intelligent beings. Do you agree or disagree?
 

Straw Dog

Well-Known Member
I can now see my stupid thread was worth the trouble. That is an excellent analysis. Thank you. I agree. But I think that two people contemplating still have a hard time agreeing. Agreement is rare among intelligent beings. Do you agree or disagree?

In so far as we're utilizing intelligence, we will agree on some things and disagree on other matters. It is more probable that we will tend to agree upon that which is practical and disagree more along abstract lines. Why does abstract intelligence tend to cause more division? Probably because we seek simple solutions to cosmic complexity, which is mostly beyond comprehension. What we don't understand, we can make mean anything.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
In all honesty, I don't understand the question asked by the OP. Aren't thoughts electric patterns traveling through the brain?

It all goes back to matter and energy which are interchangeable and of the same substance. Whatever substance is supposed to be it is all of the same thing. Subatamic particles are the tiniest of packets of frequency energy.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Inanimate matter has never found anything. It has nothing to find things with.

You seem to be suffering from animism.

I know. Poor me. What I mean is the units of matter came together to make something that functions. I know they did not "look" for their respective unit with which to bond. But they are together so they "found" each other. No?
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I know. Poor me. What I mean is the units of matter came together to make something that functions. I know they did not "look" for their respective unit with which to bond. But they are together so they "found" each other. No?

Yes love and the law of attraction.
 
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