Be Afraid, be very afraid

[Revoltingest]

And the idea that we have nothing to worry about certainly goes against what the scientific projections......

I'll let you worry for me.
Musings......

Climate change is only a major potential problem because of over-population, particularly in areas which will see loss of habitable & arable land.
The result will be social, economic & political turmoil as vast numbers of peoples die or become refugees.
This is the looming problem which is merely exacerbated by climate change.
Even minor weather changes spell disaster to over-populated areas.
Old Soviet joke....
What are the 4 problems with agriculture?
Spring, summer, fall & winter.

Change is occurring, but I don't believe it just because climate scientists & politicians tell me so.
Real world obvious evidence is right there in arctic & subarctic long term changes affecting people dependent upon climate.
As for scientists, predictive models have been failures so far, eg, hurricane frequency increase.

Btw, this December has been wonderful.
GW might not be so bad here in MI.
Although more CO2 means more vigorous poison ivy.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

That would be a disaster.....permanent summer on one side....permanent winter on the other.
We'd have to live in twilight areas, eh.

As is the case on the so-called tidally locked planets, right?

 

[Revoltingest]

As is the case on the so-called tidally locked planets, right?

Exactly.
That would be interesting.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If Climate change cannot be stopped, i fear for the lives of Atheists, Gays and minority religious members. Sure climate change itself will kill millions, millions more will starve, fires and floods will kill millions more, but the above will be killed by the dominant religious members
Let us take a step back and realize that these are King/Master religions - born when Kings/Strongmen ruled, Slaves/Servants got down on their knees, shaking with fear, swore undying loyalty(belief) and begged for his mercy and protection. Those who do not swear loyalty must be punished or cast out(Hence the loose talk of Hell) - very primitive and backward ideas
And so when things go bad, the multitude will turn to their religious leaders and ask why Master is punishing us and these leaders will point to the presence of Gays and Atheists as the cause. We know that it is already happening - Gays and Atheists are under attack in several islamic countries - in Nigeria Gays are being hunted and killed!. Once these two are killed, next in line are members of minority religions - a Slave may serve only one master - these people do not kneel to our master - and so they must be killed too

What a ridiculous view of history you have.

 

[Useless2015]

Why Master is punishing us?

What the F***?

 

[BSM1]

Those who deny that we are in a period of global warming are either scientifically illiterate or have bought into the idea that the vast majority of climate scientists are on the "take". The fact of the matter is that what we have seen happen is not based on estimates but on real measurements that have been collected for over 200 years now.

And the idea that we have nothing to worry about certainly goes against what the scientific projections are if we don't stop spewing CO2 and methane gas into our atmosphere, and even our Department of Defense here in the States say it is very much a concern to them, as well as NASA, NOAA, the NAS, etc. But then some people think that they're so much more intelligent than the scientists who work for them and many other agencies.

All the freakin time. Why do you think there was a Climate Change Summit? In another thread on this subject I posted links to several articles that linked temperatures, glacier retreat, CO2 emissions, and more showing the drastic increase since the Industrial Revolution and even more increase since the 1970's. Only those who wish to keep denying, to keep their heads buried in the sand, are not seeing this. It really is incredibly easy to find the information being put out. It's called a search bar. If you don't bother to use it to find out about this information then, apparently, the issue is not that the information isn't out there validating what you are denying, it is that you wish to remain oblivious to it to retain some kind of "rational" deniability within your own mind. Tell me, is ignorance truly bliss for you?

Yeah, right...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...d-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/

 

[Wu Wei]

Actually, if it stopped spinning on its axis, then day & night would each last 6 months.
I wonder if some are thinking of tidal locking, which is one rotation per year.
That would be a disaster.....permanent summer on one side....permanent winter on the other.
We'd have to live in twilight areas, eh.

I believe he was referring to a vertical spinning axis..... but yes, if it stopped spinning we would have a lot of serious problems...one of which is that if the spin stopped suddenly then you have constant winds in excess 1000 mph...globally...because the atmosphere would not stop suddenly. If it slowed to a gradual stop then you would get big temperature difference both hotter and colder in those 12 month long seasons and at the equator and poles.

Or it could slow to what is called a Sun synchronous orbit and then you get permanent light and dark depending on which side of the planet you are on

 

[Revoltingest]

I believe he was referring to a vertical spinning axis..... but yes, if it stopped spinning we would have a lot of serious problems...one of which is that if the spin stopped suddenly then you have constant winds in excess 1000 mph...globally...because the atmosphere would not stop suddenly. If it slowed to a gradual stop then you would get big temperature difference both hotter and colder in those 12 month long seasons and at the equator and poles.
Or it could slow to what is called a Sun synchronous orbit and then you get permanent light and dark depending on which side of the planet you are on

All such scenarios would be bad for bears.
Best to avoid them.

 

[Wu Wei]

All such scenarios would be bad for bears.
Best to avoid them.

NAH!!!! Bears a prepared

We have our own space program

 

[metis]

I'll let you worry for me.
.

I don't worry for you or I at our age-- er, I mean maturity-- but more for the future of our grandkids and those of others and beyond.

 

[metis]

Yeah, right...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...d-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/

It is intellectually disingenuous to cite one event as if this tells the entire story. Maybe you think that NASA, NOAA, the Department of Defense, the NSA, and many other agencies are ignorant or lying to feather their bed, but some of us at least know what the real facts are. Here, even Wikipedia has information, including links to scientific studies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

BTW, you linked us to NASA on that one item, but you should have looked further because here's the larger view, also from NASA: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The headline for the article from NASA reads: "Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal".

 

[amorphous_constellation]

NAH!!!! Bears a prepared

We have our own space program

How do you type?

 

[BSM1]

It is intellectually disingenuous to cite one event as if this tells the entire story. Maybe you think that NASA, NOAA, the Department of Defense, the NSA, and many other agencies are ignorant or lying to feather their bed, but some of us at least know what the real facts are. Here, even Wikipedia has information, including links to scientific studies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

BTW, you linked us to NASA on that one item, but you should have looked further because here's the larger view, also from NASA: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The headline for the article from NASA reads: "Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal".

Did you even read the article you cited? There is absolutely no scientific evidence in the article to back up the hysteria and propaganda surrounding GW/CC claims.

 

[Wu Wei]

How do you type?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...fling-hot-during-peak-age-of-dinosaurs-1.html
The article reads:
"The reason for this baking hot climate seems to have been extremely high levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere - at least 1000 parts per million (ppm) compared to 393 ppm today."

"If carbon dioxide concentrations continue to rise unabated, we will hit Cretaceous levels in less than 250 years," explains Falcon-Lang. "If that happens, we could see forests return to Antarctica."

So, it's not the worst thing right?

 

[metis]

Did you even read the article you cited? There is absolutely no scientific evidence in the article to back up the hysteria and propaganda surrounding GW/CC claims.

Yes I did. Did you happen to notice that the article was written by one man from Forbes, and not NASA itself? Did you read the article that I posted that is from NASA's official website?

 

[metis]

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...fling-hot-during-peak-age-of-dinosaurs-1.html
The article reads:
"The reason for this baking hot climate seems to have been extremely high levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere - at least 1000 parts per million (ppm) compared to 393 ppm today."

"If carbon dioxide concentrations continue to rise unabated, we will hit Cretaceous levels in less than 250 years," explains Falcon-Lang. "If that happens, we could see forests return to Antarctica."

So, it's not the worst thing right?

No, the effect would be devastating to an estimated 2 billion people, using today's population base number, and this doesn't include those that would likely be negatively affected by more dangerous storms. The northern hemisphere jet streams are at their highest velocity ever recorded, and the effect is larger and more dangerous storms in North America and Europe.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

No, the effect would be devastating to an estimated 2 billion people, using today's population base number, and this doesn't include those that would likely be negatively affected by more dangerous storms. The northern hemisphere jet streams are at their highest velocity ever recorded, and the effect is larger and more dangerous storms in North America and Europe.

But would it settle down into some kind of equilibrium?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I guess I have to read a bit more about what would/will most likely happen. Would it trigger more volcanic activity? Will America become a rain-forest? Which is preferable, an ice age or global warming?

 

[Rapha]

If the ultra rich (Al Gore etc) gave a damn about global warming, would they not be skyping each other instead of traveling the world in personal jets ?

According to scientists back in the 80's, every 747 jet airliner journey across the Atlantic spews out so much CO2 that it will take all plant life 40 years to consume.

So all you environmentalists, ask yourselves a really simple question: why are the elite not setting us peasants a good example ?

Oh BTW in SW Cornwall, UK the coast has raised beaches that are 150ft high. This means that the sea still has 150ft to rise even before it reaches the same level that it was at after the last Ice Age melt-off. In geological terms, the coast is one huge river delta filled with conglomerate soil.

Same goes for the U-shaped fjords in Sweden. They were once glaciers. Then stone age man built loads of dirty coal powered power stations to keep their fury footsies warm and the ice melted. Then they did an awesome clean-up job dismantling all of them brick-by-brick.

Well, how else did the glaciers melt - surely not the Sun and scalar weaponry ?