Become a muslim in three days or die

[loverofhumanity]

Kitab-i-Aqdas was neither written nor named, as I understand, by Bahá'u'lláh (1817 – 1892). It was compiled by Shoghí Effendí ( 1897 – 1957), and he had a lot of his own axe to grind . Right, please?

Regards

It is the Words of Baha’u’llah Himself. Shoghi Effendi translated some of it into English.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

That's pretty good experience IMO. Was he.. is he a learned Muslim?

About as learned as your average Belgian Catholic, I'ld guess.
That is to say: not that much

It actually wouldn't surprise me that I know more about Islam then him, by now.
He's certainly not a very practicing muslim. He's the kind of guy that does the Ramadan and then celebrates the end of it with a wiskey and a plate of pork chops, lolol.

When he was growing up (in Kosovo till about 13 and then in Belgium), he was dragged to mosques on friday just like my mother (a native Belgian) was dragged to church on sundays.

I was indoctrinated in neither. Precisly because they came both from different background. Instead of having semi fights about what direction to push me in, they decided to do neither and give me a secular upbringing. Of the two, it was certainly my dad who at least tried at times to trigger some, mostly generic, theistic ideas in my thinking. He failed though. lol.

He certainly did succeed in making me think about it. But I kind of came up with answers / conclusions that he didn't anticipate. I think that the fact that both my parents came from rather different theistic traditions, certainly played a role in my thinking patterns about such theistic ideas. To me, it kind of put emphasis mostly on the fact that multiple, mutually exclusive, options were available. To me, that came accross as incredibly suspect. After all, there is only one idea of gravity. Only one idea of germs. But why hundreds of religions and thousands of gods?


Anyway, my dad is far from an Imam or islamic scholar. And the same goes for the rest of his family. But nevertheless, just like in christian families (no matter how practicing), the dominant religion of the culture, seeps into almost every aspect of their lives.

So in a lot of ways, the education my dad gave me was from the perspective of an islamic culture.
In the same sense, my secular friends' upbringing with native Belgian parents, is from the perspective of judeo-christian culture.
And I notice the difference left and right. Small things really.

Like for example.... 4 years ago my fiancee got pregnant. While many of my friends didn't care about the gender of their unborn at all, for some reason I absolutely wanted a son. That was really important to me. I have no clue why. In the sense that I have no rational reason for it. But for some reason, the importance of male lineage is something that is simply engrained in my brain. Is it coincidence that having sons is also seen as important in islamic culture? Perhaps.

Stuff like that. I find that oftenly, when my thought patterns noticeably differ from my secular belgian friends, they seem to coincide with islamic culture.

I took an interest in religion when I was about 18-19. Not because I was inclined to become theist or something, but simply out of interest. I saw these orthodox jews, traditional muslims and church goers. And I just wondered: why do they believe what they believe and what exactly do they believe? And since half my family was muslim, I took special interest in Islam. More so then someone without any connection to Islam would have. Simply to better understand my family.

So this turned out long and I kind of went off topic there.....

Sorry, it just poured out my keyboard and found it an appropriate time to mention it.
Just to illustrate where my extra interest in Islam came from. Some background.

 

[ManSinha]

I’m not sure of the exact year but likely between 1863-1892.

I had posted this elsewhere but that entire prayer / hymn is eerily reminiscent of this one -

 

[Muffled]

Reread the thread. The specific verses from the Koran were posted early on.

I found some god quotes in post #71 but a later post had a link to an Apostasy site that used this verse with a different translation: 4:89. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

That word suggests the apostates are renegades ie fighting against Islam. The other translation did not have that. This translation might fit in context with the next verse but the Qu'ran tends to run short on context.

 

[Muffled]

No they don’t all say 1,000 years Some mention 2300 years and others 1260 years all attached to specific historical occurrences.

The start time is usually attached to some event such as the rebuilding of Jerusalem or how long Israel would be occupied by gentiles.

Baha’u’llah only stated that ‘not within a 1,000 years’ would another Messenger appear but it could be longer.

I believe that is a lot less than prophetic. I suppose he thinks he is one but I have seen no evidence of it. I believe he could qualify as a messenger about God as any preacher could.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I believe that is a lot less than prophetic. I suppose he thinks he is one but I have seen no evidence of it. I believe he could qualify as a messenger about God as any preacher could.

Of Jesus Baha’u’llah writes a most beautiful tribute. (Excerpts)

He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.

Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence 86 exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.

Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 85-86

 

[Samantha Rinne]

The title sounds like a threat.

Haaalp, mods, those poor Muslims are abusing everyone!

Nonislamophobia!