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[paarsurrey]

Kitáb-i-Aqdas - Wikipedia

The Most Holy Book was written by Baha’u’llah.

Kitab-i-Aqdas was neither written nor named, as I understand, by Bahá'u'lláh (1817 – 1892). It was compiled by Shoghí Effendí ( 1897 – 1957), and he had a lot of his own axe to grind . Right, please?

Regards

 

[sooda]

From reading all her posts I think she is (almost) married to a Muslim

Nope.. a Methodist from Georgia. Your problem may be education.

 

[sooda]

From your chart I did a little digging to see about Bab...

Báb - Wikipedia

In mid-1850 a new prime-minister, Amir Kabir,[36] ordered the execution of the Báb, probably because various Bábí insurrections' defeats and the movement's popularity appeared waning. The Báb was brought back to Tabriz from Chehriq for an execution by firing squad. The night before his execution, while being conducted to his cell, a young Bábí, Muhammad-Ali "Anis" from Zonuz, threw himself at the feet of the Báb and begged martyrdom with him, then was immediately arrested and placed in the same cell as the Báb.

On the morning of July 9, 1850 (28 Sha'ban 1266 AH), taken to the courtyard of the barracks where held, there appeared thousands of people gathered to watch his execution. The Báb and Anís were suspended on a wall and a large firing squad of Christian soldiers prepared to shoot.[9] Numerous eye-witness reports, including those of Western diplomats, recount the result.[37] The order was given to fire and the barracks square filled with musket smoke. When it cleared, the Báb was no longer in the courtyard and his companion stood there unharmed; the bullets apparently had not harmed either man, but had cut the rope suspending them from the wall.[38] There was a great commotion, many in the crowd believing the Báb had ascended to heaven or simply disappeared. But the soldiers subsequently found the Báb in another part of the barracks, completely unharmed, giving his final instructions to his secretary. He and Anis were tied up for execution a second time, and a second firing squad of Muslim soldiers ranged in front of them. A second order to fire was given. This time the Báb and his companion were killed.[9] In Bábí and Bahá'í tradition, the failure of the first firing to kill the Báb is believed a miracle. Their remains were dumped outside the gates of the town to be eaten by animals.

However, their remains were clandestinely rescued by a handful of Bábis and then hidden. Over time the remains secretly transported according to the instructions of Bahá'u'lláh and then `Abdu'l-Bahá by way of Isfahan, Kirmanshah, Baghdad, Damascus, Beirut, and then by sea to Acre on the plain below Mount Carmel in 1899.[39] On March 21, 1909, the remains were interred in a special tomb, the Shrine of the Báb, erected for this purpose by `Abdu'l-Bahá, on Mount Carmel in present-day Haifa, Israel.[40] In its vicinity, the Bahá'í World Centrewelcomes visitors to tour the gardens.​

Silliness beyond silliness.

Based on misunderstanding of Revelation, Isaiah and Daniel.

 

[ManSinha]

The fact that it is hard to get a lot of muslims to admit to that, is to me evidence that deep down they realise how backwards their religion really is.

For me as a non muslim - the concerning part is this - about a year ago - CNN aired a documentary on ISIS in Europe and there were people of all hues and colors - native born and recent converts - who quoted directly from the Qu'ran that it was Allah's will to establish a Caliphate on earth and suppress the non believers

Now of course we have apologists that will say that these people are taking the writing out of context - but are they? Can anyone reading this verify? with actual Arabic verses from the Surah or Hadith?

Also does Sha'riah not hold that the testimony of 8 women is equal to that of 4 men? Is that true? If so how does that even begin to square with modern values?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Kitab-i-Aqdas was neither written nor named, as I understand, by Bahá'u'lláh (1817 – 1892). It was compiled by Shoghí Effendí ( 1897 – 1957), and he had a lot of his own axe to grind . Right, please?

Regards

Baha'ullah wrote the Kitab-i-Aqdas.

Many of the explanations of the laws contained in the Kitab-i-Aqdas were explained in other tabkets.

Shoghi Effendi compiled all these explanations together as a reference for the 'Mother Book'.

The Universal House of Justice Printed it as one book. All this is noted in that book.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Based on misunderstanding of Revelation, Isaiah and Daniel.

The other option is fullfillment of all past scriptures.

That option requires us to accept we are one people under One God. A hard pill to swallow for many, but it is the only remedy for the troubles we face.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

For me as a non muslim - the concerning part is this - about a year ago - CNN aired a documentary on ISIS in Europe and there were people of all hues and colors - native born and recent converts - who quoted directly from the Qu'ran that it was Allah's will to establish a Caliphate on earth and suppress the non believers

Now of course we have apologists that will say that these people are taking the writing out of context - but are they? Can anyone reading this verify? with actual Arabic verses from the Surah or Hadith?

Also does Sha'riah not hold that the testimony of 8 women is equal to that of 4 men? Is that true? If so how does that even begin to square with modern values?

The best way is to go to a local Mosque and ask.

A big majority of everyday Muslins just want peace and security while practicing the faith of One God.

It is those that want power over men that make the news. There is a lot of false news to sift through and this false news has been spread for many hundreds of years.

Thus the search for truth on this topic will require justice and patience.

Regards Tony

 

[paarsurrey]

The other option is fullfillment of all past scriptures.
That option requires us to accept we are one people under One God. A hard pill to swallow for many, but it is the only remedy for the troubles we face.
Regards Tony

Doesn't it show that even Shoghí Effendí did not hold Kitab-i-Aqdas a complete book of itself? He had to make additions to it. Right, please?

Regards

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Doesn't it show that even Shoghí Effendí did not hold Kitab-i-Aqdas a complete book of itself? He had to make additions to it. Right, please?

Regards

Here it is;

The Kitáb-i-Aqdas | Bahá’í Reference Library

You can read it all in this One Book. Scroll down and the Tablet by Baha'u'llah is under the Name of the Book.

The explanation of the why and how of the remainder is also part of this book.

Consider the Quran was not originally One Book but it was also compiled over many years.

Regards Tony

 

[stvdv]

Nope.. a Methodist from Georgia. Your problem may be education.

About six month ago she had a thread about meeting a Muslim man ... talking about marriage and stuff. And asking questions about it, because she herself is Lutheran. I answered quite a few times to her myself.

Your problem may be education; not mine. You joined Feb 18 2019. So what do you know about those threads? You were not even there as Sooda

 

[sooda]

About six month ago she had a threat about meeting a Muslim man ... talking about marriage and stuff. And asking questions about it, because she herself is Lutheran. I answered quite a few times to her myself.

Your problem may be education; not mine. You joined Feb 18 2019. So what do you know about those threads? You were not even there as Sooda

I have been around a lot of Muslims in my life.. I don't know about the threats or the threads.

Oh I get it.. You think I was here using another name???? Is that why you said I was probably married to a Muslim?

 

[stvdv]

While many muslims will deny it, Islamic doctrine is crystal clear. The punishment for apostacy is death. The prophet Mohammed literally said it, as documented in Bukhari: "If a muslims discards his religion, kill him". The Quran itself also says it. The Quran also says that there is no compulsion in religion. But that refers to not forcing non-muslims to convert. And ps: if they refuse to convert, that doesn't mean they are left alone in their dignity and freedom to do as they please...... they are still to be subject to islamic law and are forbidden to preach their own religion etc in public. You may guess 3 times what the punishment is if they do so anyway. The fact that it is hard to get a lot of muslims to admit to that, is to me evidence that deep down they realise how backwards their religion really is.

I always try to interpret things in a positive way. But I did read quite a few verses (+context) that were impossible to interpret in a positive way. So I agree to what you say. Muhammad came ca. 700 years after Jesus. Hundred years ago, in name of Jesus, many non-christians were killed. So probably it will take the Muslims another 700 years to realize that Islam, Muhammad and Koran are not infallible and really need to be updated

 

[sooda]

While many muslims will deny it, Islamic doctrine is crystal clear. The punishment for apostacy is death. The prophet Mohammed literally said it, as documented in Bukhari: "If a muslims discards his religion, kill him".

The Quran itself also says it.
The Quran also says that there is no compulsion in religion. But that refers to not forcing non-muslims to convert. And ps: if they refuse to convert, that doesn't mean they are left alone in their dignity and freedom to do as they please...... they are still to be subject to islamic law and are forbidden to preach their own religion etc in public. You may guess 3 times what the punishment is if they do so anyway.


The fact that it is hard to get a lot of muslims to admit to that, is to me evidence that deep down they realise how backwards their religion really is.

Bukhari was from Persia and he lived 200 years after the death of Muhammed.

Where did your expertise on Islam and Muslims come from?

 

[stvdv]

I have been around a lot of Muslims in my life.. I don't know about the threats or the threads.
Oh I get it.. You think I was here using another name???? Is that why you said I was probably married to a Muslim?

Some confusion here. You replied to Anthem "And you know this because you have never met a Muslim.. never lived in an Arab country and never read the Koran". To this I replied that Anthem was in a relationship 6 month ago with a Muslim, so she did meet a Muslim and did read the Koran.

I tried to cover all angles. Some people sometimes change names on RF, so you might have been around 6 month ago (as you talked about Anthem as if you knew her saying "And you know this because you have never met a Muslim")

I did not say that you were married to a Muslim, I was talking about Anthem. I hope this clears all the confusion

 

[sooda]

Some confusion here. You replied to Anthem "And you know this because you have never met a Muslim.. never lived in an Arab country and never read the Koran". To this I replied that Anthem was in a relationship 6 month ago with a Muslim, so she did meet a Muslim and did read the Koran.

I tried to cover all angles. Some people sometimes change names on RF, so you might have been around 6 month ago (as you talked about Anthem as if you knew her saying "And you know this because you have never met a Muslim")

I did not say that you were married to a Muslim, I was talking about Anthem. I hope this clears all the confusion

Nope. I'm still confused.. When I say I have been around a lot of Muslims I lived in Arabia, Kuwait and Libya.

 

[stvdv]

Original post of Anthem

Is it true in islam if you change from islam away and dont go back in three days, they kill you?

To which Sooda replied (the "you" in your reply is "Anthem")

And you know this because you have never met a Muslim.. never lived in an Arab country and never read the Koran.

To which stvdv replied (the "her"+"she" in my reply is also "Anthem")

From reading all her posts I think she is (almost) married to a Muslim

See spoiler for my replies in which I clear your confusion

Spoiler: So the other replies of you make no sense

Nope.. a Methodist from Georgia. Your problem may be education.

About six month ago she had a thread about meeting a Muslim man ... talking about marriage and stuff. And asking questions about it, because she herself is Lutheran. I answered quite a few times to her myself.

Your problem may be education; not mine. You joined Feb 18 2019. So what do you know about those threads? You were not even there as Sooda

Some confusion here. You replied to Anthem "And you know this because you have never met a Muslim.. never lived in an Arab country and never read the Koran". To this I replied that Anthem was in a relationship 6 month ago with a Muslim, so she did meet a Muslim and did read the Koran.

I tried to cover all angles. Some people sometimes change names on RF, so you might have been around 6 month ago (as you talked about Anthem as if you knew her saying "And you know this because you have never met a Muslim")

I did not say that you were married to a Muslim, I was talking about Anthem. I hope this clears all the confusion

Nope. I'm still confused.. When I say I have been around a lot of Muslims I lived in Arabia, Kuwait and Libya.

To which Sooda replied

Nope. I'm still confused

The replies chronologically should clear all your confusion. More clear than this I can not give it to you.
I was not talking about you being married or living in Arab world. You and I were not talking about that.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

For me as a non muslim - the concerning part is this - about a year ago - CNN aired a documentary on ISIS in Europe and there were people of all hues and colors - native born and recent converts - who quoted directly from the Qu'ran that it was Allah's will to establish a Caliphate on earth and suppress the non believers

Now of course we have apologists that will say that these people are taking the writing out of context - but are they? Can anyone reading this verify? with actual Arabic verses from the Surah or Hadith?

Also does Sha'riah not hold that the testimony of 8 women is equal to that of 4 men? Is that true? If so how does that even begin to square with modern values?

That's the thing. There are no "correct" interpretations. Not concerning the Quran, not concerning the Bible.

There is stuff in those books that can pretty much support any position.
Case in point, christians like to claim the moral high ground as the bible being the inspiration for ending slavery. But they completely ignore that the south that wanted to keep slavery, motivated that with....... the bible.

Islam and the quran isn't any different.

You can use it to advocate brutal conquest of non-islamic lands and you can use it to advocate respect for the law of the non-islamic land you find yourself in.

And they'ld both be equally "correct" and "wrong".

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Bukhari was from Persia and he lived 200 years after the death of Muhammed.

Where did your expertise on Islam and Muslims come from?

My dad and his entire family is muslim. Also, I didn't claim any expertise.

However what I said is a fact.
The islamic punishment for apostacy is death.

 

[sooda]

My dad and his entire family is muslim.

That's pretty good experience IMO. Was he.. is he a learned Muslim?

 

[loverofhumanity]

In which year was this composed?

I’m not sure of the exact year but likely between 1863-1892.