Behind the killing of 8 Gazan family members

[Godobeyer]

Because there was a war and one side suffered a humiliating defeat. But the task at hand is to stop the terrorist attacks by Hamas which threaten Israelis and Palestinians alike.

great, ONE SIDE suffered humiliating defeat !!!! you mean Palestinians ,right ?
why they are still suffering from the occupation?


terrorist;: is killing innocents, right ?
so how about the Palestinains innocents whom killing by Israeli bombs ?

God damn it , I forget the humans are not equal ,in some people rules .

 

[ametist]

Land attack was 'needed' as soon as Hamas callously (1) escalated the conflict, (2) rejected a general ceasefire, and (3) violate the humanitarian ceasefire. To fail to understand this is idiotic, dishonest, or both.

Demanding an open port and not having it is bad? Asking for the requirements a nation needs to go on existing is bad? You know it better than anyone. Why israel have all the means and not palestine? Why palestine isnt even considered a country ?who can understand it better than you? And if you dont have any intention to keep them small and diminishing why bother?
I dont belive i am idiot but i believe it is to much to put all that weirdness and guilt to explain on plain people's shoulders. Thus sometimes i dont blame your medıa too. You are free to say anything you want to me as a civilian trying to live a decent respected life. I understand that need. But US politicans and your politicians or any other people who directly contribute to the crises and to the killing of 1 year olds there have no such luxury. Not from me.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Demanding an open port and not having it is bad?

Incessant terrorism is bad. Storing rockets in hospitals, schools, and mosques is bad. Launching rockets from population centers is bad. Rejecting one ceasefire is bad. Violating a second is bad.

Hamas is scum. They do a disservice to the Palestinian people.

 

[Godobeyer]

Incessant terrorism is bad. Storing rockets in hospitals, schools, and mosques is bad. Launching rockets from population centers is bad. Rejecting one ceasefire is bad. Violating a second is bad.

Hamas is scum. They do a disservice to the Palestinian people.

bombing homes contains innocents is not bad too?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

great, ONE SIDE suffered humiliating defeat !!!! you mean Palestinians ,right ?
why they are still suffering from the occupation?

I am opposed to the occupation. At the same time, ending the occupation when your enemy is virulently antisemitic and committed of eradicating the Jewish state is a non-starter. Israel pulled out of Gaza only to find the ceded are turned ito errorist infrastructure.

terrorist;: is killing innocents, right ?
so how about the Palestinains innocents whom killing by Israeli bombs ?

Killing innocents is neither 'right' nor 'wrong'. Killing innocents unnecessarily is always wrong, and targeting innocents is egregiously wrong. No one is more culpable of the loss of innocent life - on both sides of the conflict - than Hamas.

God damn it , I forget the humans are not equal ,in some people rules .

Correct: terrorists who cynically use there population as human shields and propaganda fodder are subhuman scum.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

bombing homes contains innocents is not bad too?

Every effort is made to urge civilians to distance themselves from legitimate terrorist targets. Talk to Hamas.

 

[ametist]

Incessant terrorism is bad. Storing rockets in hospitals, schools, and mosques is bad. Launching rockets from population centers is bad. Rejecting one ceasefire is bad. Violating a second is bad.

Hamas is scum. They do a disservice to the Palestinian people.

Think of the reverse way. When you have guns, they have the right to have guns. When you have the right to defend yourself they also have that right.
Whatever you need they need. Would you like to live in an open prison? Jerusalem is one of the most beautiful cities in the world free and beautiful many different people from different faiths living together. I know you have the power to make that true for the whole region. They are just like you. Needing what you need.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Think of the reverse way.

Stop the terrorism and the total disregard of the Palestinian people. Then we talk.

 

[Godobeyer]

Every effort is made to urge civilians to distance themselves from legitimate terrorist targets. Talk to Hamas.

Now I understand how the situation , the Israeli Army did good efforts with aviod killed innocents !!

-It's seems Israeli army get borded by sending warning msgs to homes; before every strike ?

maybe the homes should missed (moved away from) the bombs , not the bombs missed the homes ?

 

[Godobeyer]

I am opposed to the occupation. At the same time, ending the occupation when your enemy is virulently antisemitic and committed of eradicating the Jewish state is a non-starter. Israel pulled out of Gaza only to find the ceded are turned ito errorist infrastructure.

now we had something to share , we both opposed to the occupation .

I hate the racist and non-justice regime of Israel , I considere this position anti-racist more than anti-semitic ?

Killing innocents is neither 'right' nor 'wrong'. Killing innocents unnecessarily is always wrong, and targeting innocents is egregiously wrong. No one is more culpable of the loss of innocent life - on both sides of the conflict - than Hamas.

Killing innocent is wrong, it's evil to be convinced that there justifiy to killing innocent ,to protect yours.

do you get my point ,or not yet ?

Correct: terrorists who cynically use there population as human shields and propaganda fodder are subhuman scum.

- Israeli innocents NOT equal to Palestinians innocent in value .

killing innocents by Palestinians is terrorism , killing innocent Palestinians by Israeli army is defending from terrorism .

btw , you said , Hamas used innocents as shield ?
so Israel army knows WELL that Hamas is used innocents used shields,then why Israeli army continous targeting the shield "innocents" ?!!!

 

[ametist]

Stop the terrorism and the total disregard of the Palestinian people. Then we talk.

I agree. I am glad you were there to talk with me and werent killed in a war as a civilian and had all the means internet etc to reach to us to give your opinion.

 

[YmirGF]

The thing is, Israel has overwhelming military superiority. If they intended to indiscriminately kill anyone in their path, don't you think the civilian death toll would be much, much higher?

Hamas tells Gazans to ignore IDF's call to leave border area | The Times of Israel

Hamas tells Gaza residents to ignore IDF warnings - Israel News, Ynetnews

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZEzbT0H1s

 

[ametist]

If they are all killed and settlement was invaded by israel directly it would all be and remain apparent whose direct fault it is. But if it is done for a 'purpose ' like 'trying to defend yoursel from terror' in billon dollar defense systems and doing it 'time after time' just enough to cause brilliant, capable and well educated people to flee from their land emptying them for anyone to take is better. then the region is left to those less educated and incapable so that they may fall into the hands of extremism and justify israel attacks and plans further. Thats why hamas is saying dont flee from the region, dont leave region. How can they trust an international community to come and defend them when those parts are emptied and after all this when a billion dollar defense system country is conducting a land ATTACK to their land to 'protect themselves' in front of whole world? After all, where are you expected to go when you left there? The place is a war zone. Israel itself said that in a official note to media in region that this is a war zone and israel is not responsible for any harm that will happen to them. So stop informing from the other side? Why should hamas try to hurt anyone showing kids in hospitals if this is what hamas had planned?

Please try to think twice. Human nature is very alike. What you need is what they need. What is your wish is their wish. What is your right is their right.
Perhaps hamas is not that bad. Have you ever given it a possibility? Why should it hurt to think people are very similar and have similar needs?
Dont be part of a money war trying to keep the global economy going.fresh money in the system ought not to flow over blood of young people. If not it is gonna collapse, it is better collapse. We will face it alltogether but will be free from the guilt of killing and hurting each other. These wars are pumped up for financial powers' sake. They are not geniune wars. Have no legitimate or sane ground. You dont have to be a part of it. Just see that who is actually your friend. A giant mad monetary monster is not a human and unlike you. A human is.
If it doesnt serve to the needs of that monetary monster you may remain with a constant war for centuries and with not any result out of it that you want. They will pump up your insecurity to keep you ready for any war needed in future. So make up your mind is it peace for all or is it slavery for you and through your chains for the other human?

 

[LuisDantas]

You know, I am dubious about the worth of the very existence of Israel at the most generous of times.

All too often it seems to be almost designed to make its neighboors permanently desperate, miserable and hostile, with little to no choice on the matter. It certainly seems to all too often end up making Israelis increasingly beligerant and ever more distant from even hoping to ever find peace.

It is certainly scary how well-prepared to live in eternal conflict and how little hope of ever being in peace the current generation of Israelis seems to be, when even youtube videos about why Israel needs its current frontiers seem to make a far better case for why Israel should not exist at all.

This is not one of my most generous times.

If I may, these articles seem very enlightening and badly needed reading:

Israel’s Deadly Gambits -
The Israeli government has lost the ability to think strategically

Why I object to this military campaign, even as missiles fall on my city (from 972)


On a perhaps only tangentially related matter, I have often met the argument that the War on Drugs is so harmful and unwinnable that legalization would be the natural course of action. I can't help but wonder why that logic should not apply - far better at that - to the War to Defend Israel.

Why is it that war to promote the continued existence of a combination of systematic genocide and war-ravaged occupation camps is supposedly acceptable, yet war to protect the mental and biochemical health of arguably the whole world apparently is not?


Some of you seem to be taking as a premise that Israel has a legitimate right to exist in the first place and as a consequence also the right to employ whatever means necessary to supposedly defend its frontiers. Arguments that are created from that premise are inherently suspect, fragile and morally questionable as long as those means involve what amounts to the permanent creation of ever bigger numbers of people who will never have the means to forgive Israel for existing.

At this point, I'm half convinced that the existence of Israel is inherently harmful and should be opposed by all moral people, the very Israeli most of all.

 

[ametist]

For whatever israel is set up there,now we have people there very innocent loving their physical houses and neighbours and many of them wouldnt on earth chose to hurt another any where. they are like us.
If we rightfully justify ourselves, there is peace for everyone eventually.
Monetary system is not a human and there are enough resources around to make you understand how it survives through wars when it gets stuck.
This issue isnt about land isnt about religion it is about system and human insecurities, history are used to keep that speculated system going.

So we ought to begin with understanding our own insecurites, accepting that others have it and helping ourselves through helping others.
Please see what israel is doing is NOt making them seem any 'cute', any 'just' to the world. What is you biggest complaint? That jews are hated? So who is contributing to that image? Your friends are those who try wholeheartedly to make you sit and solve this issue through diplomacy. It is not anything that feeds your insecurities.you will feel very powerful with a gun in your hand. But it costs. Both ways. And fees further insecusities because you confirm to yourself and others you have an enemy to death. It is creating doubt and suspicion and distance towards jews these attacks. You may not understand how money works but your leaders ought to. Warn them. Dont be a constant war's subjects. If all system fails many people are ready to face it with you, it will fail for us too. it is really better than seeing constant wars all over.

 

[CMike]

Israel has always been the ancestral homeland of the jews.

It really doesn't need to defend it's right to exist.

 

[LuisDantas]

Israel has always been the ancestral homeland of the jews.

It really doesn't need to defend it's right to exist.

What exactly do you mean by that?

Militarily, the IDF can hardly be accused of not existing or not having much to do.

Morally, a pretty good case can be made that Israel pays too much of a blood price (in both sides of the fence, albeit far more in Palestinian blood) for it to seriously consider remaining in existence.

It is certainly true that many of the Jewish People have always valued the opportunity to live in Israel and taken great pains to make that a reality. It is just as true that even now only half of their numbers, if that much, chooses to live there despite having unquestionable control of the land.

Israel is not only unnecessary for the continued survival and well-being of the Jewish People; it is also at least arguably one of the main sources of its harships at the current time - or at the very least, its military policy is hurting its people very badly indeed, as it drags itself into an endless and very bloody loop.

Such a situation definitely should be questioned as opposed to simply assumed as fair and necessary. It ill suits the best interests of the Jewish People and/or the Israeli to remain deadlocked into a situation that makes a growing number of "foreigners" know for a fact that Israeli pride and intransigency is creating ever more orphans, widows and broken families where there did not need to be any - and that is before the comparatively less shameful matters of land occupation are brought to the table.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You know, I am dubious about the worth of the very existence of Israel at the most generous of times.

It shows.

How do you feel about Iraq under Sadam Hussein or Nouri al-Maliki, Syria under Bashar al-Assad, Saudi Arabia under Abdullah ibn Abdilazīz, Yemen under Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Iran under Ayatollah Khamenei, … ?

And what do you think Khaled Mashal and Mashal, whose genocidal ideology you seem so willing to condone?

 

[jewscout]

Israel is not only unnecessary for the continued survival and well-being of the Jewish People; it is also at least arguably one of the main sources of its harships at the current time

I really couldn't disagree with this statement more. The great centers of jewish learning in the late 19th and early 20th century existed predominantly in Europe and now no longer exist. Today the center of Torah study, THE place to go to study Judaism in its fullest is Israel. If Israel as a Jewish state were to be erased tomorrow and replaced w/ some secular state made made up of Arabs and Jews would be a huge blow to the world jewish community.

and as to Israel being the main source of hardship for jews today, violent anti-Semitism existed across the globe before the beginning of the Zionist movement, and I am of the firm belief that such hatred and violence would continue in the absence of the state of Israel. Little about our history leads me to believe otherwise.

 

[melk]

Don't think we go anywhere ruminating about the existence of Israel. It's a reality that can't be denied, for the own welfare of the palestinian people. The actual suffering of the civilian palestinian anguishes me, for sure, even more because I have arab blood in my veins. But we can't forget that peace has been offered twice in a generous way, and denied by the palestinian leaders just for these ruminating reasons.