Behind the killing of 8 Gazan family members

[CynthiaCypher]

I have heard first hand accounts from palestinian refugees. They say if they warn us they give us 5 mins if any warning. Do you think 5 mins is enough time to get children elderly and possessions down from say the 3rd floor of a building. Ive met way too many palestinians whose families and homes have been torn apart. The first hand accounts of what happens there is horrible.

Im gonna start an anti-Israel lobby here. Will protest outside the parliamant everyday. Wake up Australia..FREE FREE PALESTINE FREE FREE PALESTINE.

END THE GENOCIDE IN GAZA!

That is not even enough time to get away from the area being targeted.

 

[ametist]

I must admit, I am deeply puzzled by the outrage that some people apparently have for this conflict being "unbalanced." "Unbalanced" because Israel has suffered no direct casualties of rocket attack so far, whereas there have been over a hundred Palestinian casualties of Israeli bombing.

However, Israel appears to have avoided casualties largely because of the Iron Dome defensive weapon system, which has a ninety-plus percent success rate in taking out missiles inbound to populated areas, and because the Israeli government has, at tremendous expense, subsidized every single home built having a bomb shelter room, and nearly every other building or complex having a readily accessible bomb shelter within or in an adjoining space.

Whereas during their leadership of Gaza, Hamas has not turned its (admittedly much more limited) resources toward either defensive capabilties or providing shelters to its populace, but instead has done its best to import or build as many offensive rockets as it can. And it now fires those rockets from within populated civilian areas, and urges its citizens to become human shields to protect those weapons and the terrorists who fire them, apparently to maximize carnage so as to provoke outrage and sympathy for their cause in the international community.

I am at a loss to understand why Israel should be condemned for being unfair for utilizing defenses to protect its citizens simply because Hamas has not even tried to provide those under its rule with similar defenses, or are using those under its rule as human shields to protect their weapons and fighters.

No other country in the world would tolerate a thousand rockets in a week being shot into their country, regardless of how successful their defenses might be. No other country in the world, if its retaliation for such attacks included not only warning leaflets and radio broadcasts to the civilian populace, but direct phone calls and warning shots with unarmed missiles prior to live fire, would be urged to exercise more restraint or be called murderers.

No amount of double-talk about Israel as a "western colonial power" or "Zionist nationalist occupiers" or whatever similar crap will change the fact that Israel is being judged and condemned uniquely because it is a Jewish country, and there will always be plenty of people who are happy for an excuse to hate Jews. The fact that they can now do so under the mask of humanistic concern for those who are all too happy to claim the mantle of helpless victim is just icing on the cake to such individuals. But it's the same old anti-Semitism under a different set of clothes. End of story.

Sadly blaming everyone of being antisemitic is some people's way of feeling special. Hating a jew just because he is jew is no different than hating someone because of their color or race. There are many jews i am sure who can sense all the weirdness in palestinian issue even if they may speak it out or not.

 

[columbus]

That's nice. Do you have actual evidence the warnings are "nothing but propaganda" or is this once again yet another of your infallible pronouncements from on high?

If I understand correctly, the OP described an event. Zionists told Palestinian people that they were going to bomb their home. The Palestinians ran away. The Zionisists dropped a bomb. It didn't cause much damage. The Palestinians went home. Then the real bomb dropped.

It is the Palestinians fault that they went home. It is their own fault. That's why they died. Because they went home when the Zionists had already told them not to.

What is hard to understand about this?
Tom

 

[CynthiaCypher]

That's nice. Do you have actual evidence the warnings are "nothing but propaganda" or is this once again yet another of your infallible pronouncements from on high?

Human Rights Watch is very iffy as to whether they are actually warning people or not. I didn't say "I know they are not warning the people" , I said "I don't think they are". There is a big ****ing difference between the two statements.

 

[Curious_Cat]

Sadly blaming everyone of being antisemitic is some people's way of feeling special

I wonder how long before the Jews stop playing the victim card. One wrong does not justify another(and yes I mean the occupation). Sad thing is if you speak out against it, its anti-semetic. Not speaking against it IMO is inhumane.

 

[Curious_Cat]

If I understand correctly, the OP described an event. Zionists told Palestinian people that they were going to bomb their home. The Palestinians ran away. The Zionisists dropped a bomb. It didn't cause much damage. The Palestinians went home. Then the real bomb dropped.

It is the Palestinians fault that they went home. It is their own fault. That's why they died. Because they went home when the Zionists had already told them not to.

What is hard to understand about this?
Tom

Hey man if someone asked you to leave your home in the midwest because of a threat. would you never go back? I find your reasoning not only flawed but biased and not well thought out.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I wonder how long before the Jews stop playing the victim card.

What is your view of this partial List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014?

 

[Sunstone]

If I understand correctly, the OP described an event. Zionists told Palestinian people that they were going to bomb their home. The Palestinians ran away. The Zionisists dropped a bomb. It didn't cause much damage. The Palestinians went home. Then the real bomb dropped.

It is the Palestinians fault that they went home. It is their own fault. That's why they died. Because they went home when the Zionists had already told them not to.

What is hard to understand about this?
Tom

Do you think it is logical then to conclude that the warnings are "no more than propaganda" and "don't exist", as Cynthia does?

 

[Sunstone]

I don't think the warnings exist at all. I think the whole "we are warning them" thing is nothing but propaganda to appease the conscience of their apologists and supporters. I don't for one minute believe that the victims of these murderers are given fair warning. Not for one minute.

Human Rights Watch is very iffy as to whether they are actually warning people or not. I didn't say "I know they are not warning the people" , I said "I don't think they are". There is a big ****ing difference between the two statements.

Backpedal all you want, but you sound pretty sure of yourself to me. I think a fair minded person would give at least a minute to the thought that the warnings actually exist.

 

[columbus]

Hey man if someone asked you to leave your home in the midwest because of a threat. would you never go back? I find your reasoning not only flawed but biased and not well thought out.

I was being sarcastic. I don't want anyone to have to leave their home for somebody else political purposes.

Tom

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Backpedal all you want, but you sound pretty sure of yourself to me. I think a fair minded person would give at least a minute to the thought that the warnings actually exist.

I am not backpedaling one bit, I don't believe they are actually really warning people.

 

[columbus]

Do you think it is logical then to conclude that the warnings are "no more than propaganda" and "don't exist", as Cynthia does?

I'm not Cynthia. But I do think I understand what she meant. I'm just a little *****ier than she is.

Good on her, I suppose.
Tom

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I'm just a little *****ier than she is.

Want to make a bet on that one?

 

[xkatz]

Ugh those pesky Jews. How dare they stand up for themselves?! They need to check their damn privilege!

 

[Curious_Cat]

What is your view of this partial List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014?

You invade my country, for something I never did to you, rockets are nothing give em nukes!

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Ugh those pesky Jews. How dare they stand up for themselves?! They need to check their damn privilege!

I don't know which conflict you are talking about. But we are talking about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict here. Are all Jews involved in this conflict or support it? I think not.

 

[Sunstone]

It seems interesting to me how so many people worldwide are unable to grasp something so simple as the fact that all wrong is not on one side of this issue and all right on the other side. Such a view does not strike me as very helpful.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

You invade my country, for something I never did to you, rockets are nothing give em nukes!

The Palestinians need to cut their **** out too. Firing rockets at Israel does nothing but provoke them into more human rights atrocities.

 

[Curious_Cat]

Ugh those pesky Jews. How dare they stand up for themselves?! They need to check their damn privilege!

Stand up for yourself. Dont kill innocent people who are trapped in open air concentration camps with nowhere to escape. Lock em in n kill em. Thats called standing up for yourself.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

It seems interesting to me how so many people worldwide are unable to grasp something so simple as the fact that all wrong is not on one side of this issue and all right on the other side.

You should take your own advice then.