Being true to yourself

[Gjallarhorn]

So I see the tendency to chase after whatever you feel like doing.

Your nature?...is dual....mind and heart.
With your heart in the lead, you could easily lose the very things you chase after.

At this moment I see you're caught up in what you are doing.
Until that subsides, nothing more will achieved.

If you're thinking with your heart, obviously you have some sort of severe genetic abnormality.

 

[Thief]

If you're thinking with your heart, obviously you have some sort of severe genetic abnormality.

Mind and heart together....always.

Above average IQ as an abnormality?....

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Mind and heart together....always.

Above average IQ as an abnormality?....

The "heart" you are describing is the mind. I understand that.

The fact that you call it "heart" instead of "emotion" is antiquated though.

 

[Thief]

The "heart" you are describing is the mind. I understand that.

The fact that you call it "heart" instead of "emotion" is antiquated though.

Nay.
But one without the other would be irrational.

 

[InChrist]

The entire point of this topic is not Satan though, it's just a side-note that Satanism is one religion that this can work for, and as it is my religion I presented it in that form. One does not need to even be religious to do what I described, though it might make them spiritual in a sense.

Also Satan isn't Lucifer, and there is nothing to support that, but that is a different debate.



No, what I was referring to was all this talk of 'if you don't realize Satan is evil you will be tortured in hell' which you said quite clearly at one point and the side-tracting of missing the main point, Satan was mentioned ONCE in the OP and need not actually be part of embracing yourself. Arguing that Satan is a destroyer and evil completely derails the main conversation about self-actualization.

[FONT=&quot] Yes, in your OP you once mentioned Satan stating that he smiles, “for all he ever wanted us to do: embrace our humanity and nature”. I was just responding to your idea and expressing my difference of perspective concerning this idea that Satan has any positive motives toward humanity at all and pointed out what I believe his actual intentions are: the destruction of humanity. I don’t think this derails the main point because if Satan is truly a destructive entity, which I believe, then he is no asset to one in reaching their potential. I don’t see torment which Satan brings into people’s lives as any benefit. Yet, I do believe he is tormenting you on a regular basis.[/FONT]

Also as far as a "new nature", I don't see how that is possible, because to get rid of the "sin" or "flesh" would require we die physically... also I already addressed that a religion that denies who we are and tries to replace it is unhealthy because it works against every fiber of the person's being, it's just not practical.

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According to the scriptures physical death is not necessary to receive the new nature. This would defeat the purpose of this new nature anyway, which is to give one the power to overcome sin or negative behaviors in this life. Religion may be a trap which causes one to deny who they really are, but the new nature given by Christ frees ones to be the unique person they were created and meant be.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Nay.
But one without the other would be irrational.

Irrational, fatal, same thing.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If you're thinking with your heart, obviously you have some sort of severe genetic abnormality.

Thinking with the heart is thinking with the traitor within us.
If we make decisions based on the heart, then, afterwards the heart gives all the reasons why we should not have done it in the first place.

Jeremiah wrote that the heart is treacherous or deceitful and who can know it?
Jeremiah also wrote we can not direct our step.
[ Jer. 17 v 9; 10 v 23; Matthew 15 v 19]
So, we can not successfully direct our steps in life by our hearts.

 

[jasonwill2]

[FONT=&quot] Yes, in your OP you once mentioned Satan stating that he smiles, “for all he ever wanted us to do: embrace our humanity and nature”. I was just responding to your idea and expressing my difference of perspective concerning this idea that Satan has any positive motives toward humanity at all and pointed out what I believe his actual intentions are: the destruction of humanity. I don’t think this derails the main point because if Satan is truly a destructive entity, which I believe, then he is no asset to one in reaching their potential. I don’t see torment which Satan brings into people’s lives as any benefit. Yet, I do believe he is tormenting you on a regular basis.[/FONT]

But that's not the main point, the point is about being true to yourself. Also your personal accusation that HE is tormenting me is more than saying someting about Satan, but saying something about me personally, which is a personal attack, like what you did when you said if I didn't stop following Satan I would be tortured in hell.

This is why I want you to leave this topic, because you are saying things about ME PERSONALLY and judging me PERSONALLY by saying these kinds of things.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

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According to the scriptures physical death is not necessary to receive the new nature. This would defeat the purpose of this new nature anyway, which is to give one the power to overcome sin or negative behaviors in this life. Religion may be a trap which causes one to deny who they really are, but the new nature given by Christ frees ones to be the unique person they were created and meant be.
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What Scripture says physical death is not necessary to receive the new nature ? By 'new nature' do you mean heavenly nature [Rev. 20 v 6]
If so, then physical death IS necessary because 'flesh and blood' [physical] can Not inherit the kingdom according to 1st Corinthians 15 v 50.

Only the living 'sheep' at the 'time of separation' of Matthew [25 vs 31,32] are granted to gain everlasting physical life. Physical life on earth without having to die. That is because the 'harvest time' or 'time of separation' [Rev. 7 v 14] is near the start of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth when Jesus ushers in global Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill, and those living 'sheep' on earth can remain alive and keep right on living right into the start of Jesus millennial reign over a paradisaic earth with the view or prospect of gaining everlasting life on such a beautiful earth.

 

[jasonwill2]

According to the scriptures physical death is not necessary to receive the new nature. This would defeat the purpose of this new nature anyway, which is to give one the power to overcome sin or negative behaviors in this life. Religion may be a trap which causes one to deny who they really are, but the new nature given by Christ frees ones to be the unique person they were created and meant be.

What Scripture says physical death is not necessary to receive the new nature ? By 'new nature' do you mean heavenly nature [Rev. 20 v 6]
If so, then physical death IS necessary because 'flesh and blood' [physical] can Not inherit the kingdom according to 1st Corinthians 15 v 50.

Only the living 'sheep' at the 'time of separation' of Matthew [25 vs 31,32] are granted to gain everlasting physical life. Physical life on earth without having to die. That is because the 'harvest time' or 'time of separation' [Rev. 7 v 14] is near the start of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth when Jesus ushers in global Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill, and those living 'sheep' on earth can remain alive and keep right on living right into the start of Jesus millennial reign over a paradisaic earth with the view or prospect of gaining everlasting life on such a beautiful earth.[/quote]

if one needs not die to get a new nature, then why do you still sin? you can never escape it until you die, no all you get is a deadly and torterous war between two natures in the same person.. but that is a contradiction.

how can one have both sin and jesus in their heart? Jesus says you cant have the "devil" and him in your life as in you cant serve two masters. therefore if you really have an ew nature the old one is gone according to jesus...

but chrisitans still sin all the time. therefore my obersvation is that its a lie

dont deny who you are, embrace who you are so you can learn to live with it in healthy ways

 

[URAVIP2ME]

, but saying something about me personally, which is a personal attack, like what you did when you said if I didn't stop following Satan I would be tortured in hell.

Fret not jasonwill2 because you will NOT be tortured in hell because the Bible's temporary hell [sheol] is just the common grave of mankind where Jesus went at his death until God resurrected Jesus out of hell.
- Acts 2 vs 27, 31,32.
Because Jesus died faithful then Jesus was given the keys to unlock hell.
-Rev. 1 v 18
Jesus will unlock the Bible's hell, and everyone in the temporary Bible's hell will be 'delivered up' meaning resurrected out of hell [ Rev. 20 vs 13,14]
[resurrected to either heaven for some [Rev. 20 v6], and the majority of mankind [John 3 v 13] resurrected back to life on earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth] Then, emptied-out hell is cast into a symbolic 'second death' for vacant hell.

Jesus taught that in death the dead sleep [ John 11 vs 11-14]
Solomon wrote the dead are not conscious [Ecc. 9v 5]
The Psalmists wrote the dead also sleep [6 v 5; 13 v 3; 115 v 17; 146 v 4]
Daniel wrote the dead sleep while in the ground [Daniel 12 vs 2,13]

The word often translated into English as hellfire is: Gehenna.
Gehenna was a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed. Destroyed and not kept burning forever.
So 'Gehenna' is a fitting symbol for destruction Not forever burning.
The wicked are to be destroyed forever. -Psalm 92 v 7.

 

[jasonwill2]

Fret not jasonwill2 because you will NOT be tortured in hell because the Bible's temporary hell [sheol] is just the common grave of mankind where Jesus went at his death until God resurrected Jesus out of hell.
- Acts 2 vs 27, 31,32.
Because Jesus died faithful then Jesus was given the keys to unlock hell.
-Rev. 1 v 18
Jesus will unlock the Bible's hell, and everyone in the temporary Bible's hell will be 'delivered up' meaning resurrected out of hell [ Rev. 20 vs 13,14]
[resurrected to either heaven for some [Rev. 20 v6], and the majority of mankind [John 3 v 13] resurrected back to life on earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth] Then, emptied-out hell is cast into a symbolic 'second death' for vacant hell.

Jesus taught that in death the dead sleep [ John 11 vs 11-14]
Solomon wrote the dead are not conscious [Ecc. 9v 5]
The Psalmists wrote the dead also sleep [6 v 5; 13 v 3; 115 v 17; 146 v 4]
Daniel wrote the dead sleep while in the ground [Daniel 12 vs 2,13]

The word often translated into English as hellfire is: Gehenna.
Gehenna was a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed. Destroyed and not kept burning forever.
So 'Gehenna' is a fitting symbol for destruction Not forever burning.
The wicked are to be destroyed forever. -Psalm 92 v 7.

I don't believe in Hell or Heaven, and that when most people die they stay dead and "destroyed" more or less. Who wants to live forever anyway? I'm not so sure I want an afterlife but might consider at least striving to become a spirit/god, but part of me realizes that might drive me insane after a few thousand years.

 

[waitasec]

I don't believe in Hell or Heaven, and that when most people die they stay dead and "destroyed" more or less. Who wants to live forever anyway? I'm not so sure I want an afterlife but might consider at least striving to become a spirit/god, but part of me realizes that might drive me insane after a few thousand years.

i agree.
"you can't always get what you want...."



the thought is nice, but really, the implications are impossible to comprehend it's is a frivolous pursuit to say the least.

 

[InChrist]

But that's not the main point, the point is about being true to yourself. Also your personal accusation that HE is tormenting me is more than saying someting about Satan, but saying something about me personally, which is a personal attack, like what you did when you said if I didn't stop following Satan I would be tortured in hell.

This is why I want you to leave this topic, because you are saying things about ME PERSONALLY and judging me PERSONALLY by saying these kinds of things.

It may be that you don’t think Satan is the main point, but from all of your posts here and elsewhere he seems to be very connected to your main point and I think this connection is important to address. I certainly do apologize if you think in any way whatsoever I am personally judging you. I can say with a clear conscious that I am not attacking or judging you, but I am definitely expressing my perspective and judgment on the character, motives, and intentions of Satan. I don’t know you personally other than what you have shared on this forum, but I know you are a valuable, one of a kind person and I care about you. I know that you are valued and loved by Jesus. I am expressing my perspective on Satan because Jesus Christ fills me with love and concern for you. I am grieved over the pain in your life and I do believe Satan is full of hate.

If you don’t want me to post or speak to you anymore about this I will discontinue, since you asked. Although, if it makes you uncomfortable or angry to have me express a view in opposition to your own, it could be good practice for managing or overcoming these things, couldn’t it?

 

[InChrist]

What Scripture says physical death is not necessary to receive the new nature ? By 'new nature' do you mean heavenly nature [Rev. 20 v 6]
If so, then physical death IS necessary because 'flesh and blood' [physical] can Not inherit the kingdom according to 1st Corinthians 15 v 50.

Only the living 'sheep' at the 'time of separation' of Matthew [25 vs 31,32] are granted to gain everlasting physical life. Physical life on earth without having to die. That is because the 'harvest time' or 'time of separation' [Rev. 7 v 14] is near the start of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth when Jesus ushers in global Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill, and those living 'sheep' on earth can remain alive and keep right on living right into the start of Jesus millennial reign over a paradisaic earth with the view or prospect of gaining everlasting life on such a beautiful earth.

Below are just a few scriptures which show that a person who places their faith in Christ and is born again receives a new spiritual nature now in this life before death. I am not referring to the eternal state.

Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 2 Cor. 5:16-17

Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all. Cl. 3:9-11

But you have not so learned Christ, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness. Eph.4:20-24

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:12-13

Who am I in Christ?

[FONT=&quot]Who am I in Christ?[/FONT]

 

[jasonwill2]

forget it im getting this locked and starting it again ina couple of days and be more general and not mention satan in the OP

edit: looking back, I don't even recall why I posted those two songs... I think I was trying to make some point about emotion or something... not sure. either way this is no longer about self actualzation through embracement but became about me personally.

'apparently reveling in the symbolism didnt get you to stop, I thought you might give up when you realized that your making no 'positive' impact on me whatsoever. And that quite literally your rehotric is acutally DRIVING my symbolism on an emotional level, amplifying the altered states it gives me... which is what i meant by using your symbolism against you.. i dont believe in hell intellectually but by abusing the emotional idea of it I can get results. apparently that didnt communicate right.

anyway, this is long dead

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Below are just a few scriptures which show that a person who places their faith in Christ and is born again receives a new spiritual nature now in this life before death. I am not referring to the eternal state.
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 2 Cor. 5:16-17
Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all. Cl. 3:9-11
But you have not so learned Christ, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness. Eph.4:20-24
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:12-13

That is what I was asking 'if' referring to the 'eternal state' [aka heaven].
Still a new spiritual nature now, still would Not be a sinless nature now.

Yes, John [1 vs 12,13] mentions 'spiritually' born....of the will of God.
[born as first fruits. -Rev. 20 v 6; John 3 v 3; James 1 v 18; 1st Peter 1 v 23,2

Yes, put off the old person or personality and put on the new person or personality according to God's will.......Eph 4 vs 20-24
Not being a lying person or personality - Col. 3 vs 5-11; Romans 6 v 6

Yes, a new creature or new creation 2 Cor. 5 vs 16,17
- Romans 6 v 3-5; Colossians 2 v 12; Galatians 4 vs 28,29; 6 vs 13-25

'first fruits' indicates more to follow. [ 1st Cor. 15 vs 20,23] Those of Revelation 20 v 6 are heavenly first fruits. The sheep that do good to Jesus 'brothers' [Matthew 25 v 40] are not first fruits, but they have an earthly hope of everlasting life on earth starting at the time of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth when Jesus ushers in global peace on earth toward men of goodwill.

 

[Badran]

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