Ben Carson lies about his past

[sun rise]

Specifically - the story about West Point which goes along with his whopper about Jews being able to stop the German Army that overran Europe if only they had a few handguns which I personally find totally offensive.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...about_west_point_acceptance_per_politico.html Of course now he's doubling down on his lie by claiming he did not lie. And is the right going after him because of this definition of what "is" means (see Clinton). Of course not. Republican lies are fine but Democratic lies are not. Instead it is of course the media's fault for pointing out that he lied - blaming the messenger is an old old story,.

 

[esmith]

and the other side of the coin
http://therightscoop.com/politico-s...ed-its-story-but-media-keeps-pushing-the-lie/
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...s-retracted-fabrication-headline-carsons-west

 

[Shadow Wolf]

and the other side of the coin
http://therightscoop.com/politico-s...ed-its-story-but-media-keeps-pushing-the-lie/

That one says Politico denies having edited the article, but the Politico article has an editor's note that clarifies a few things, and it was the NYT that Carson admitted he wasn't offered the aid to begin with.
As for the other article, no matter the words used, it doesn't change the fact Carson never applied to West Point, and there was no "full scholarship."

 

[esmith]

That one says Politico denies having edited the article, but the Politico article has an editor's note that clarifies a few things, and it was the NYT that Carson admitted he wasn't offered the aid to begin with.
As for the other article, no matter the words used, it doesn't change the fact Carson never applied to West Point, and there was no "full scholarship."

So are you saying that the Slate article is not telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

 

[LittlePinky82]

Clearly he should have known things like this can be easily verified. The military does keep record of these things. Surely he should have known that. So pathetic.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The fact that hillary and carson might be the two contenders for the election really scares me. We get pro-establishment liars either way.

What scares me are voters capable of seriously making such statements.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Parenthetically, while I find Carson to be dangerously stupid I also think that this West Point nonsense does more to indict the press than anything else.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

@Strategic Philosopher, I noticed that you 'liked' post 7. I should have made it more clear that I was referring to statements such as yours.

 

[Augustus]

Apparently he lied about being named the 'most honest student' in his Yale class.

Lying about your preternatural levels of honesty is really quite cute.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ben-carsons-past-faces-deeper-questions-1446861864

 

[ShivaFan]

Why would he make something up about trying to stab a relative?

And in regards to the West Point thing, he in fact was offered to enter the military acadeny expenses paid, it doesn't matter if the term scholarship might have been used when West Point doesn't offer scholarships but instead pays for admission in return for military service, Carson was just a kid at the time and probably considered it scholarship and it is a non-issue. He wasn't interested in the end, anyway, even though the Academy really wanted him because he wanted to go for a medical degree. This is really grasping at straws and lies by the phony leftwing media that wants to plant a false narrative in the minds of Americans that Carson lied about attending West Point or something, this is in fact a game of misleading lies by the media and typical of attacking one of the front runners.

But that's fine, the media is going to be the victim once again. What idiots.

But this lame and actually laughable attempt has zero impact, with the broad spectrum of information sources today really it isn't going to work anymore, the lame stream media has lost their power.

I suppose one can wonder about electing someone who tried to stab a relative, but no one cares about the spin job regarding this outside of that since they believe Carson.

In fact, it is going to backfire on the media. The way they spin it, missing the actual question of electing someone who tried to stab someone but instead implying he lied and neved tried to stab someone, is so laughably lame and ineffective in todays world of information, it in fact will drive up Carson's numbers and in fact donations to his campaign have notably jumped by over 2 million in the matter if 24 hours.

I am surprised, maybe I shouldn't be, how stupid is the leftwing media. They did Carson a favor.

And of course, I will be proven right about this as I always am, just like I was right from day one saying Trump willl be at the top of the pack when everyone was saying he doesn't have a chance. Actually, they try to find comfort for their fears, but they are delusional about reality. I will be right again, this only helps Carson using the current line.

 

[Nietzsche]

And of course, I will be proven right about this as I always am, just like I was right from day one saying Trump willl be at the top of the pack when everyone was saying he doesn't have a chance. Actually, they try to find comfort for their fears, but they are delusional about reality. I will be right again, this only helps Carson using the current line.

When did I get competition for "Most smug ******* on RF.com"?

 

[YmirGF]

I can't help but wonder where Obama would be if he had been put under such scrutiny.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I can't help but wonder where Obama would be if he had been put under such scrutiny.

Uh he was... Do you not remember Bill Ayers and Rev Wright? And his birth certificate? About him being a community organizer? Him being a Constitutional professor? Really?

And why are you blaming Obama for Carson's lies catching up to him? I thought republicans were supposed to be the party of personal responsibility. I guess not.

 

[LittlePinky82]

That's just a narrative to keep those they don't like imprisoned.

Oh I get it now. You mean like the poor? Keep the poor, poor?

 

[LittlePinky82]

Or literal prisoners.
Basically keeping the people at the bottom at the bottom.

Gotcha. In that case I agree. It's one of those lose-lose situations. They make it where people can't unless they have certain money and connections.

 

[Augustus]

In fact, it is going to backfire on the media. The way they spin it, missing the actual question of electing someone who tried to stab someone but instead implying he lied and neved tried to stab someone, is so laughably lame and ineffective in todays world of information, it in fact will drive up Carson's numbers and in fact donations to his campaign have notably jumped by over 2 million in the matter if 24 hours.

I am surprised, maybe I shouldn't be, how stupid is the leftwing media. They did Carson a favor.

Seeing as the Democrats would absolutely love the Republicans to nominate Carson, someone with a smart media strategy would do everything possible to help him win the nomination.

When their own likely nominee has a known propensity for lying, as well as being ludicrously conjoined to the despised political system, it would be a godsend to come up against a whackjob fantasist who thinks the pyramids were grain silos.

Maybe you're being played by the Democratic spin machine, and it's going to backfire on the 'media savvy' haters of the liberal 'lamestream' media...

(Anyway, it drove traffic to their website, raised their profile and potentially benefitted the Democrats chances of reelection. Seems like the 'stupid' media got exactly what they wanted)

 

[YmirGF]

Uh he was... Do you not remember Bill Ayers and Rev Wright? And his birth certificate? About him being a community organizer? Him being a Constitutional professor? Really?

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Yep, that was some heavy duty scrutiny, LOL.

And why are you blaming Obama for Carson's lies catching up to him? I thought republicans were supposed to be the party of personal responsibility. I guess not.

Where did I blame Obummer for Carson's lies catching up to him? It's ok, I'll wait while you look.

 

[Revoltingest]

I can't help but wonder where Obama would be if he had been put under such scrutiny.

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Yep, that was some heavy duty scrutiny, LOL.

Where did I blame Obummer for Carson's lies catching up to him? It's ok, I'll wait while you look.

Carson's "scholarship" is much like Obama's "professorship".
These resume enhancements aren't all that disturbing.
(Easy for me to say though....not the kind of folk I'd ever vote for anyway.)

 

[jonathan180iq]

Look, Ben Carson and Donald Trump have no more chance of being president than Herman Cain or Mario Cuomo (Or Joe Liberbeman, Dick Gephart, Jesse Jackson, Gart Hart, George Wallace...You name 'em) had during their respective runs. Polls this early in an election cycle generally sway towards to the crazies. The moderates won't be showing their real numbers until the fields are cleared some and real choices have to actually be made. Right now, it's the looney tunes circuit. So there's no need to get all worked up over who's leading the polls this week.

But, aside from that, why are we surprised that politicians embellish their personal narratives to make themselves sound cooler? It's the same thing that you and I do on job applications and the like... Instead of just admitting that you worked at Footlocker while you were in highschool, you tell people that you spent quite a bit of time in "retail". Instead of being forthright about selling burgers at McDonald's, you say that you were a sales representative for a Fortune 500 company...

What I find disturbing about presidential candidates is how they defend (or refuse to answer questions about) statements that they made in the past which obviously align them with some pretty nutty stuff. Carson's complete lack of historical knowledge is humorous, sure. But his rejection of biological science in favor of religious fervor is something different. I mean, this guy is a very accomplished Neurosurgeon, right? Yet he believes that the biological mechanism for change is actually little more than a divisive seed planted into our minds by the Devil? He'e heralded as the Republican's thinking man, but believes that the mythological character of Joseph built the Pyramids as grain silos so his band of not-historically-supported Egyptian slaves could survive the Biblical famine.... really?? And Donald Trump doesn't even need a breakdown - he's a misogynistic, ethnocentrist who thinks that real estate success prepares someone for the rigors of international diplomacy. It's factual lunacy.

So there's really no reason to worry too much about who is leading polls more than a year away from election day. These things change drastically in just a few weeks. Things will be settled down by Spring and by early Summer we can start to actually care what the polls are saying. Until then, it's just a waste of time and energy.

(For fairness, the support for Bernie Sanders should also be considered one of these aforementioned early-season anomalies. Clinton will be the nominee, obviously. I predict Rubio vs. Clinton in the general election.)

 

[LittlePinky82]

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Yep, that was some heavy duty scrutiny, LOL.

Where did I blame Obummer for Carson's lies catching up to him? It's ok, I'll wait while you look.

Yeah, it was. You right wing tools wouldn't let go of it. Even today you still talk **** about his birth certificate and all those stupid *** "conspiracy theories."

And yes you are blaming him for it. Asking why he didn't get this, when he did and worse, is blaming him for it. Like it's his fault Carson lied and now people are pointing it out and talking about it. Sad, really.

Carson is a pathological liar. Deal with it. His lies are about the most pathetic crap ever and easily verifiable like with West Point and the class at Yale.

Oh and don't forget too all the crap with Obama about "ooh he's really a secret Muslim! He's not a Christian cause we say so and he doesn't hate gay people like we do. He does "secret hand shakes" to show he's really a Muslim!!" Even though they had previously **** on him for being in the "wrong" Christian church and all the crap with the Rev Wright and his sermons (that were right by the way).

Sorry. Maybe you just have pathetic short term memory.

And "Obummer" really? Not original hun. Just pathetic. Are you in junior high?

Look, Ben Carson and Donald Trump have no more chance of being president than Herman Cain or Mario Cuomo (Or Joe Liberbeman, Dick Gephart, Jesse Jackson, Gart Hart, George Wallace...You name 'em) had during their respective runs. Polls this early in an election cycle generally sway towards to the crazies. The moderates won't be showing their real numbers until the fields are cleared some and real choices have to actually be made. Right now, it's the looney tunes circuit. So there's no need to get all worked up over who's leading the polls this week.

But, aside from that, why are we surprised that politicians embellish their personal narratives to make themselves sound cooler? It's the same thing that you and I do on job applications and the like... Instead of just admitting that you worked at Footlocker while you were in highschool, you tell people that you spent quite a bit of time in "retail". Instead of being forthright about selling burgers at McDonald's, you say that you were a sales representative for a Fortune 500 company...

What I find disturbing about presidential candidates is how they defend (or refuse to answer questions about) statements that they made in the past which obviously align them with some pretty nutty stuff. Carson's complete lack of historical knowledge is humorous, sure. But his rejection of biological science in favor of religious fervor is something different. I mean, this guy is a very accomplished Neurosurgeon, right? Yet he believes that the biological mechanism for change is actually little more than a divisive seed planted into our minds by the Devil? He'e heralded as the Republican's thinking man, but believes that the mythological character of Joseph built the Pyramids as grain silos so his band of not-historically-supported Egyptian slaves could survive the Biblical famine.... really?? And Donald Trump doesn't even need a breakdown - he's a misogynistic, ethnocentrist who thinks that real estate success prepares someone for the rigors of international diplomacy. It's factual lunacy.

So there's really no reason to worry too much about who is leading polls more than a year away from election day. These things change drastically in just a few weeks. Things will be settled down by Spring and by early Summer we can start to actually care what the polls are saying. Until then, it's just a waste of time and energy.

(For fairness, the support for Bernie Sanders should also be considered one of these aforementioned early-season anomalies. Clinton will be the nominee, obviously. I predict Rubio vs. Clinton in the general election.)

"The moderates." And who pray tell is that in the republican party? They're all the same. Good luck finding any so-called "moderate" in the Repub party today. They've all left! Lincoln Chafee was a more moderate/liberal republican and he bailed and now look where he is.

Carson isn't trying to "sound cooler." He knows his party is made up of white tools who are scared of black people and if you pay attention to his lies they're all things that people like that think about black men. He's basically confirming their fears and now he's saying "but look at me now!" with the mellow tone act that is bs too. Even looking at his little preaching gig video going around he's not that mellow there either. He's not like a Trump or anything but he's not this "sleepy" or whatever you want to call it.

It's not different. The right wingers have been doing this for many years now. Not even Reagan could get elected as a nominee in this f'd up party.