Ben Carson lies about his past

[LittlePinky82]

Reality is a slippery thing.
Perspective creates it.....or at the very least colors it.

Not when you have a thing called records. For someone who has no horse in this race you sure are for defending him when records have proven him to lie. Tsk, tsk.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, what's more powerful than being president of the United States? Going back to being a lecturer or doing like Bill Clinton and making money off speeches? You can't get any higher than president.

He won't be prez, but there are many other roles available, eg, Sec'y Of State, running a wealthy foundation.

Unless you're one of these NWO freaks and think he's going to rule the world.

I'm a different brand of crazy from them.
I invented the field of quantitative conspiracy analysis, & find the probability of major conspiracies to be vanishingly low.

 

[LittlePinky82]

He won't be prez, but there are many other roles available, eg, Sec'y Of State, running a wealthy foundation.

I'm a different brand of crazy from them.

Again, you can't get higher than president.

 

[YmirGF]

Yeah, it was. You right wing tools wouldn't let go of it. Even today you still talk **** about his birth certificate and all those stupid *** "conspiracy theories."

And yes you are blaming him for it. Asking why he didn't get this, when he did and worse, is blaming him for it. Like it's his fault Carson lied and now people are pointing it out and talking about it. Sad, really.

Carson is a pathological liar. Deal with it. His lies are about the most pathetic crap ever and easily verifiable like with West Point and the class at Yale.

Oh and don't forget too all the crap with Obama about "ooh he's really a secret Muslim! He's not a Christian cause we say so and he doesn't hate gay people like we do. He does "secret hand shakes" to show he's really a Muslim!!" Even though they had previously **** on him for being in the "wrong" Christian church and all the crap with the Rev Wright and his sermons (that were right by the way).

Sorry. Maybe you just have pathetic short term memory.

And "Obummer" really? Not original hun. Just pathetic. Are you in junior high?

It would appear that you are unable to judge the difference between journalists investigation of a candidate and conspiracy theory wackjobs. The press, in general, gave Obama a pass in virtually every instance which gave rise to the right wing conspiracy theory nutjobs. The press then exhaustively wrote about those loons.... A subtle, but important, difference. For the record, I am not a Carson supporter and never have been. It's just the media fascination for uncovering his skeletons is strikingly different than the coverage they gave Obama. Deal with it.

 

[Adramelek]

So what about Carson lying about West Point and scholarships? They don't do them. He's a liar.

Oh my gawd Dr. Carson said 'scholarship' instead of 'opportunity'; such a big a** f****** 'lie'. No, I am not falling for this left-wing biased foolishness. Carson is a good, descent, honest man, and candidate. A brilliantly skilled physician/surgeon who has saved hundreds of lives. I am disgusted by some of you peoples political biases.

 

[columbus]

While less than fully accurate, it's as minor as Carson's faux pas.

Exactly.
Try to find anybody with the kind of ego it takes to become a top surgeon and presidential candidate who doesn't have a bit of a convenient memory. Then multiply that by the media's tendency to overblown stories to attract readership.

Personally I don't care about the exact words Carson used to describe turning down West point. He got the opportunity, which is a big deal. And he turned it down for something better, which is also a big deal.
But it was all years ago and doesn't matter anymore. At least not to his Presidential credentials.
Tom

 

[LittlePinky82]

It would appear that you are unable to judge the difference between journalists investigation of a candidate and conspiracy theory wackjobs. The press, in general, gave Obama a pass in virtually every instance which gave rise to the right wing conspiracy theory nutjobs. The press then exhaustively wrote about those loons.... A subtle, but important, difference. For the record, I am not a Carson supporter and never have been. It's just the media fascination for uncovering his skeletons is strikingly different than the coverage they gave Obama. Deal with it.

Lol yeah I'm sure that's totally it. You're a real Sherlock.

Oh my gawd Dr. Carson said 'scholarship' instead of 'opportunity'; such a big a** f****** lie. No, I am not falling for this left-wing biased foolishness. Carson is a good, descent, honest man, and candidate. A brilliantly skilled physician/surgeon who has saved hundreds of lives. I am disgusted by some of you peoples political biases.

But they don't do the opportunity either. They just don't. If you make it into West Point, period, you're in and it's free. Do you know what West Point means to the US and the military? And what it means to get there? Not just anyone can. You have to work hard to do so.

Lol yeah he's so honest that's why he has had to lie about so much of his past. Even that class at Yale that was actually from a parody of their newspaper. Yale confirmed such a class never existed.

Exactly.
Try to find anybody with the kind of ego it takes to become a top surgeon and presidential candidate who doesn't have a bit of a convenient memory. Then multiply that by the media's tendency to overblown stories to attract readership.

Personally I don't care about the exact words Carson used to describe turning down West point. He got the opportunity, which is a big deal. And he turned it down for something better, which is also a big deal.
But it was all years ago and doesn't matter anymore. At least not to his Presidential credentials.
Tom

But he didn't. The General he claims to have given him the opportunity was elsewhere. He wasn't there. You don't get opportunities to West Point. You apply and then if you have the qualifications you're let in. And EVERYONE who gets into West Point is FREE. He's a bser. It's not a big deal because he's a liar and a pathetic one at that.

 

[Adramelek]

But they don't do the opportunity either. They just don't. If you make it into West Point, period, you're in and it's free. Do you know what West Point means to the US and the military? And what it means to get there? Not just anyone can. You have to work hard to do so.

Yeah, but they do. West Point well invite you and you can turn them down as Carson did. We can go round and round all day with this, but I don't have the time. I really like you LP82, but you can be very confusing to me sometimes, as I am sure I am to you.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Yeah, but they do. West Point well invite you and you can turn them down as Carson did. We can go round and round all day with this, but I don't have the time. I really like you LP82, but you can be very confusing to me, as I am sure I am to you.

No, they don't. You have to apply. They don't do scholarships. They don't do invites. You either apply or you don't. If you apply and have the qualifications or you don't. And no you're not confusing to me. You're just defending a liar for whatever personal reasons you have.

It's freaking West Point. West Point does not do that period.

And as I pointed out the General he said "invited him" wasn't even there.

 

[Adramelek]

No, they don't. You have to apply. They don't do scholarships. They don't do invites. You either apply or you don't. If you apply and have the qualifications or you don't. And no you're not confusing to me. You're just defending a liar for whatever personal reasons you have.

It's freaking West Point. West Point does not do that period.

And as I pointed out the General he said "invited him" wasn't even there.

 

[columbus]

I confused him going to Harvard with teaching there but it was Chicago.

I think that this is exactly the type of memory slip that results in such tempests in teapots.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

I think that this is exactly the type of memory slip that results in such tempests in teapots.
Tom

Aye, we just shouldn't accuse everyone who mis-remembers something of lying.
I even notice my own memory changing over the decades, as I look at old written records of things.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I think that this is exactly the type of memory slip that results in such tempests in teapots.
Tom

And I corrected it and provided the link from factcheck.org that explained the situation didn't I?

Aye, we just shouldn't accuse everyone who mis-remembers something of lying.
I even notice my own memory changing over the decades, as I look at old written records of things.

There's a difference between your memory misplacing something and just lying. I had misremembered him going to Harvard to teaching there but it was University of Chicago and corrected myself and even provided a reliable citation in the process.

Ben Carson, however, has flat-out lied and even the organizations he's lied about has said "no such thing happened (or didn't exist)."

Remember him talking about the riot that happened when MLK Jr was shot? They were able to find other students he was in class with at that same time period (as in going to school with) and they didn't remember that happening. They remembered the riots but not people specifically going after white people and his own physics teacher didn't remember him saving anyone.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I corrected it and provided the link from factcheck.org that explained the situation didn't I?



There's a difference between your memory misplacing something and just lying. I had misremembered him going to Harvard to teaching there but it was University of Chicago and corrected myself and even provided a reliable citation in the process.

Ben Carson, however, has flat-out lied and even the organizations he's lied about has said "no such thing happened (or didn't exist)."

Remember him talking about the riot that happened when MLK Jr was shot? They were able to find other students he was in class with at that same time period (as in going to school with) and they didn't remember that happening. They remembered the riots but not people specifically going after white people and his own physics teacher didn't remember him saving anyone.

I understand that you see things differently.
I'm just more inclined to cut Carson some slack over something so minor.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I understand that you see things differently.
I'm just more inclined to cut Carson some slack over something so minor.

But it's not minor. It's freaking West Point. He flat out lied about them. They don't give opportunities and they don't do scholarships. You apply and you either make it in or you don't. If you make it in you get a free ride period. Everyone does.

And he's starting to lie about just so much. And the stuff he's lying about is just ridiculous. He even lied about some made up class at Yale in some experiment that didn't exist. Yale even said no such class ever existed. Turns out it was from the newspaper there that did parodies. Like, why lie about this stuff? And especially if you're Christian I know lying is supposed to be such a big thing not to do.... It's baffling really.

And no I don't see things differently. I see someone who has lied about the most ridiculous crap and made up huge **** and is now getting called out for it. That's pretty simple. It doesn't take a brain surgeon (ha).

And if he's lying about all this pathetic **** with himself (like how he was supposedly so violent in the past yet journalists across the board can't seem to find anyone from his past who remembers him being violent) what is he going to lie about as president? Sorry we don't need George W Bush and Iraq part 2.

 

[Revoltingest]

But it's not minor. It's freaking West Point. He flat out lied about them. They don't give opportunities and they don't do scholarships. You apply and you either make it in or you don't. If you make it in you get a free ride period. Everyone does.

And he's starting to lie about just so much. And the stuff he's lying about is just ridiculous. He even lied about some made up class at Yale in some experiment that didn't exist. Yale even said no such class ever existed. Turns out it was from the newspaper there that did parodies. Like, why lie about this stuff? And especially if you're Christian I know lying is supposed to be such a big thing not to do.... It's baffling really.

And no I don't see things differently. I see someone who has lied about the most ridiculous crap and made up huge **** and is now getting called out for it. That's pretty simple. It doesn't take a brain surgeon (ha).

The difference in how we see things is....
- The weight we give to falsehoods
- Whether it's a lie or bad memory - Is this knowable?

When I see Carson, I see someone whose politics are too different from mine to earn my vote.
The "scholarship" fiasco is but a small blemish in comparison.

 

[LittlePinky82]

The difference in how we see things is....
- The weight we give to falsehoods
- Whether it's a lie or bad memory - Is this knowable?

Yes, he's point blank told these stories on CSPAN and in interviews. Claiming this and that about himself. When it wasn't true. Period. No eyewitnesses remember it or the records tell reverse.


And really he doesn't need to lie. He has an impressive story as it is. He was a poor kid from Detroit and he worked his *** off and got into an amazing school with Yale and became a successful brain surgeon. Why lie about all this other stuff?

The only thing I can think of is what I've been seeing others say about it: is that he's a black man in the republican party and he's a Christian and the base is being told what they want to hear about black men from a black man. Oh yes all black men are dangerous, especially as youth, and only Jesus can save you! It's honestly the only thing that I can see making sense about why you would need to make up all this ridiculous crap about yourself. I even saw earlier he told a story about how he almost hit his mother in the head with a hammer as a youth supposedly and there's no one around you can ask because his mother apparently has Alzheimer and it would be rude and unfair to ask her about it and even if her memory was reliable. But, as I said, journalists in general have been trying to find people from his youth and have talked to some and no one remembers him being violent. Even in that video of him at the church doing the graduation sermon he wasn't as "mellow" as he is now but he's not like a Trump or whatever.

It's just baffling. Politicians in general are going to lie or misrepresent etc all the time but this **** is just ridiculous.

 

[columbus]

And I corrected it and provided the link from factcheck.org that explained the situation didn't I?

I was not really talking about you, just using your misstatement as an example of people saying things that aren't accurate. It happens a lot.
A much bigger problem is the media latching on to such trivia and next thing you know people are using terms like "pathological liar".
I think you are a very good example of a crazy lefty, even if you don't have an audience as big as Rush Limbaugh.
Tom

 

[LittlePinky82]

I was not really talking about you, just using your misstatement as an example of people saying things that aren't accurate. It happens a lot.
A much bigger problem is the media latching on to such trivia and next thing you know people are using terms like "pathological liar".
I think you are a very good example of a crazy lefty, even if you don't have an audience as big as Rush Limbaugh.
Tom

So pointing out someone is caught lying is now being a "crazy lefty."

So why aren't there records or eyewitnesses backing him up? Why?

And sorry but calling me a "crazy lefty" is yawn. I'm a Marxist-Leninist and a southern woman. Try calling me something that isn't thrown around all the time. I've been called it for so long now (even when I used to be a dem when I was 18) that it doesn't mean anything to me anymore. Sorry.

And what else do you call someone who has lied about as much **** as he has?

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, he's point blank told these stories on CSPAN and in interviews. Claiming this and that about himself. When it wasn't true. Period. No eyewitnesses remember it or the records tell reverse.


And really he doesn't need to lie. He has an impressive story as it is. He was a poor kid from Detroit and he worked his *** off and got into an amazing school with Yale and became a successful brain surgeon. Why lie about all this other stuff?

The only thing I can think of is what I've been seeing others say about it: is that he's a black man in the republican party and he's a Christian and the base is being told what they want to hear about black men from a black man. Oh yes all black men are dangerous, especially as youth, and only Jesus can save you! It's honestly the only thing that I can see making sense about why you would need to make up all this ridiculous crap about yourself. I even saw earlier he told a story about how he almost hit his mother in the head with a hammer as a youth supposedly and there's no one around you can ask because his mother apparently has Alzheimer and it would be rude and unfair to ask her about it and even if her memory was reliable. But, as I said, journalists in general have been trying to find people from his youth and have talked to some and no one remembers him being violent. Even in that video of him at the church doing the graduation sermon he wasn't as "mellow" as he is now but he's not like a Trump or whatever.

It's just baffling. Politicians in general are going to lie or misrepresent etc all the time but this **** is just ridiculous.

The behavior of politicians who rise to the top is indeed baffling at times.
Were I in his position, I'd be obsessive over details like this.
But then, we obsessive compulsives would never be able to become that popular.