Ben Carson lies about his past

[LittlePinky82]

The behavior of politicians who rise to the top is indeed baffling at times.
Were I in his position, I'd be obsessive over details like this.
But then, we obsessive compulsives would never be able to become that popular.

I'd probably be paranoid but than that's why I wouldn't lie about it in the first place. You're going to get caught eventually and karma.

 

[leibowde84]

I can't help but wonder where Obama would be if he had been put under such scrutiny.

Are you kidding?! He was put under more scrutiny. Remember the whole "birther" embarassment? And, what about the morons who think he's muslim for absolutely no reason? Or his communist teacher? Get real.

 

[columbus]

So pointing out someone is caught lying is now being a "crazy lefty."

No, its how hard and consistently you kick the media spin.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd probably be paranoid but than that's why I wouldn't lie about it in the first place. You're going to get caught eventually and karma.

I feel the same way.

 

[jonathan180iq]

"The moderates." And who pray tell is that in the republican party? They're all the same. Good luck finding any so-called "moderate" in the Repub party today. They've all left! Lincoln Chafee was a more moderate/liberal republican and he bailed and now look where he is.

There are plenty of them. You can't let the actions of candidates grasping for the support of the crazy base to sway you too far in one direction.
You also shouldn't forget about the electorate as a whole. There are plenty of loonies on both sides, sure. But they don't make up more than maybe 30% of the voting public. The rest are moderate people who vote on one side of the bar or another based on just a few select pet issues.

But just to play along, do you remember how much John McCain was disliked by his base? He's a good example of a moderate who has had two elections stolen from him by his party's failings.
Hell, George Pataki has become a very moderate guy, and he's a Republican Presidential candidate. (Which is why he's getting a solid 1% in the polls...)

Carson isn't trying to "sound cooler." He knows his party is made up of white tools who are scared of black people and if you pay attention to his lies they're all things that people like that think about black men. He's basically confirming their fears and now he's saying "but look at me now!" with the mellow tone act that is bs too. Even looking at his little preaching gig video going around he's not that mellow there either. He's not like a Trump or anything but he's not this "sleepy" or whatever you want to call it.

Cool based on his personal definition of it - His whole persona, as you've mentioned, has changed to make him more appealing. He just doesn't know when to stop talking, and he doesn't recognize when to let certain personal convictions stay at home. People embellish their personal stories. We all do it. It's not that big of a deal.

This, however, is golden!

It's not different. The right wingers have been doing this for many years now. Not even Reagan could get elected as a nominee in this f'd up party.

Yeah, there are some serious shortcomings in the Republican party. The Tea Party movement was predicted to cause this kind of shakeup in the party and it's coming to fruition. I think the reason that Republicans can do so well in localized elections but not fare so well in national elections is part of that. The vast majority of people in this country aren't psychopaths, but there are very motivated people who are. How far the influence of the crazies reaches into the moderate populace is what's going to determine the outcome of future elections. It's a blight that is devastating the Republican party, sure. But the only way that it's going to affect the liberals is if they overreact and give it more attention than it deserves. Good, old-fashioned, reason and education seem to quell most of it as long as it's applied before it gets out of hand.

 

[LittlePinky82]

There are plenty of them. You can't let the actions of candidates grasping for the support of the crazy base to sway you too far in one direction.
You also shouldn't forget about the electorate as a whole. There are plenty of loonies on both sides, sure. But they don't make up more than maybe 30% of the voting public. The rest are moderate people who vote on one side of the bar or another based on just a few select pet issues.

But just to play along, do you remember how much John McCain was disliked by his base? He's a good example of a moderate who has had two elections stolen from him by his party's failings.
Hell, George Pataki has become a very moderate guy, and he's a Republican Presidential candidate. (Which is why he's getting a solid 1% in the polls...)



Cool based on his personal definition of it - His whole persona, as you've mentioned, has changed to make him more appealing. He just doesn't know when to stop talking, and he doesn't recognize when to let certain personal convictions stay at home. People embellish their personal stories. We all do it. It's not that big of a deal.

This, however, is golden!

Yeah, there are some serious shortcomings in the Republican party. The Tea Party movement was predicted to cause this kind of shakeup in the party and it's coming to fruition. I think the reason that Republicans can do so well in localized elections but not fare so well in national elections is part of that. The vast majority of people in this country aren't psychopaths, but there are very motivated people who are. How far the influence of the crazies reaches into the moderate populace is what's going to determine the outcome of future elections. It's a blight that is devastating the Republican party, sure. But the only way that it's going to affect the liberals is if they overreact and give it more attention than it deserves. Good, old-fashioned, reason and education seem to quell most of it as long as it's applied before it gets out of hand.

Yeah, it seems to me like in both parties they are both going in different directions with the base and the politicians aren't there. The Dems seem to be split. You have the more liberal side going to Bernie (though he's a socialist so lol kind of amusing to me as a Marxist-Leninist honestly speaking) and the more moderate/conservative side going to Hillary. With the republicans it's always seems like the people who are REALLY active are the more way right wing and the people who just show up to maybe vote in things (like senator and president and maybe a primary here and there) aren't as bad and probably don't care as much as the people who get really involved and that's true in general in politics. People have their own **** to worry about. I keep up with things myself but over all I have other things to worry about like finding a job (though I think I'm going to maybe get one in the summer sigh).

But yeah McCain, for so long, was very well respected in general by people. And he had a good reason to be. Even if you disagreed with him on politics he was reasonable and he worked with people in the Dem party like how he was with Ted Kennedy and they always worked together. Didn't he even work with Lahey too on something? Then the people who get out to REALLY get involved went further right and well if you want to keep your job....That's why he probably chose Sarah Palin. McCain even got booed for saying Obama was a good man (or was it decent? It was one of those) when someone was trying to say he was a Muslim at one rally. That rubbed me wrong but I get what he was saying and he tried to calm his base down with that at least even though it was probably already out of anyone's control which is why people just left like Chafee. I remember Chafee even standing up with John Kerry when Kerry was going to go against the nomination of Roberts over issues with abortion rights.

It is a big deal when you want to be leader of a country the size (population) of the US and you're out there telling all these lies about yourself for some reason. Personally, I'm starting to think the republicans, as a party, don't want to be president next. I'm thinking we're going to relive the 90's. And so Carson is just trying to keep himself visible and he's doing his book stuff and I bet he'll be doing some speeches after everything. I'm still like okay...

That painting er...Apparently it's not that uncommon in evangelical homes. But Carson is an Adventist. I don't think they're evangelical? I assume it was a gift from someone and he of course loved it and put it in his room of accomplishments. My favorite was the proverbs thing and misspelling proverbs and in a room where you had a painting of you and Jesus and it's a room bragging about yourself (which I don't see as a bad thing imo).

I agree with you about the "tea party" and the problems for the dems and other left wing groups like the Green party and all that is people don't get that involved. The repubs have several decades ahead of them on that.

We should point out this type of stuff. We as a populace shouldn't accept politicians who are like that. Who lie about everything because what are they going to lie about with policy and issues of foreign affairs? What about when they meet with other world leaders? Would they lie about **** there and cause a whole big to-do about it?

I do agree more people need to get out. Support election day as a holiday and automatic voter registration!

I'm starting to agree though with my dear old ancestor George Washington and that political parties are hog wash (my word).

 

[jonathan180iq]

Are you kidding?! He was put under more scrutiny. Remember the whole "birther" embarassment? And, what about the morons who think he's muslim for absolutely no reason? Or his communist teacher? Get real.

I spent quite a bit of time when I worked in the school system correcting people's emails which supposedly showed Barack being sworn in using a Koran. It was an obviously spliced photo showing the hand of some Senator from MN or something ( I don't really recall...) But teachers here in the South were having serious discussions about this great travestry to American democracy, and it was over something that was entirely fabricated... It's amazing how far misinformation can go - which is exactly why scrutiny is a good thing, regardless of who you are or what side of the aisle you're on.

 

[Revoltingest]

I spent quite a bit of time when I worked in the school system correcting people's emails which supposedly showed Barack being sworn in using a Koran. It was an obviously spliced photo showing the hand of some Senator from MN or something ( I don't really recall...) But teachers here in the South were having serious discussions about this great travestry to American democracy, and it was over something that was entirely fabricated... It's amazing how far misinformation can go - which is exactly why scrutiny is a good thing, regardless of who you are or what side of the aisle you're on.

I've had more conversations than I can count, trying to convince people that there's no real evidence that Obama is a Muslim.
I've also had many wherein people claimed that Sara Palin said she could see "Russia from her house".
They just couldn't believe that what they remember was really a comedy bit by Tina Fey on SNL.

I believe in hating people for the right reasons.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I've had more conversations than I can count, trying to convince people that there's no real evidence that Obama is a Muslim.
I've also had many wherein people claimed that Sara Palin said she could see "Russia from her house".
They just couldn't believe that what they remember was really a comedy bit by Tina Fey on SNL.

I believe in hating people for the right reasons.

From what I remember with Palin and Russia is talking about how it's Alaska is not far away from Russia because of where it's located. Wasn't it about her having foreign policy experience or something why she was talking about that? And that's why the joke came about?

Hey that just goes to show how amazing Tina Fey was with that lol.

 

[YmirGF]

Are you kidding?! He was put under more scrutiny. Remember the whole "birther" embarassment? And, what about the morons who think he's muslim for absolutely no reason? Or his communist teacher? Get real.

Again, for those with short term memories, those accusations did not come from the media, other than perhaps Faux Nudes.

 

[Revoltingest]

From what I remember with Palin and Russia is talking about how it's Alaska is not far away from Russia because of where it's located. Wasn't it about her having foreign policy experience or something why she was talking about that? And that's why the joke came about?
Hey that just goes to show how amazing Tina Fey was with that lol.

She is a talented comedian.

Was it clear that I was talking about Tina rather than Sara?
(Btw, I thought McCain was scarier than Palin.)

 

[LittlePinky82]

She is a talented comedian.

Was it clear that I was talking about Tina rather than Sara?
(Btw, I thought McCain was scarier than Palin.)

Yeah it was. I was talking about remembering why it came up in the first place lol. It seems like a decade ago sometimes lol.

Why? I would say he's more scary because he's the one who brought her in lol.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah it was. I was talking about remembering why it came up in the first place lol. It seems like a decade ago sometimes lol.
Why? I would say he's more scary because he's the one who brought her in lol.

McCain is a tax & spend, big government, good ole boy, statist, foreign adventurist hawk.
Sara was at least more likely to be a force for smaller government.
And she's cute as the dickens!

 

[LittlePinky82]

McCain is a tax & spend, big government, good ole boy, statist, foreign adventurist hawk.
Sara was at least more likely to be a force for smaller government.
And she's cute as the dickens!

"Smaller" government meaning nothing. Not even a dog catcher. Don't agree with hawk **** and his spending is for corporations and the wealthy tsk tsk.

Sorry don't really find her cute.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Smaller" government meaning nothing. Not even a dog catcher. Don't agree with hawk **** and his spending is for corporations and the wealthy tsk tsk.
Sorry don't really find her cute.

I believe McCain is worse than one who would wage war to benefit corporations.
He sincerely believes we do good by invading other countries.
Beware the true believer.

 

[esmith]

Let's bring a few little facts to this insignificant dust-up over Carson and West Point. On one side we have those saying that West Point doesn't offer a "scholarship"
So, what is the definition of a "scholarship". From: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scholarship

Scholarship
noun
1. learning; knowledge acquired by study; the academic attainments of a scholar.
2. a sum of money or other aid granted to a student, because of merit, need, etc., to pursue his or her studies.
3. the position or status of such a student.
4.a foundation to provide financial assistance to students.

Now let's take each point point by point
1. Does not West Point, or for a matter of fact all of the US military academies provide academic attainments of a scholar? Answer is Yes
2. Does West Point, or any of our military academies cost the student, other than a commitment to serve, any cash money. Answer is No. Thus it is "aid" granted to a student.
3. Are cadets or midshipmen students? Answer is Yes
4. Does not the taxpayers of this nation, through taxes, pay for the education received at military academies? Answer is Yes. Thus the foundation here is the taxpayers.

So, having met all the requirements for a "scholarship" it appears technically that our military academies do meet the requirements for offering "scholarships".

So, it appears that there are those that are flapping their gums for no apparent reason. Get over it and start figuring out who of the current candidates can change the course of this country and get it back on the right track. Since over 60% of the population thinks we are going in the wrong direction....

 

[Revoltingest]

Let's bring a few little facts to this insignificant dust-up over Carson and West Point. On one side we have those saying that West Point doesn't offer a "scholarship"
So, what is the definition of a "scholarship". From: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scholarship

Now let's take each point point by point
1. Does not West Point, or for a matter of fact all of the US military academies provide academic attainments of a scholar? Answer is Yes
2. Does West Point, or any of our military academies cost the student, other than a commitment to serve, any cash money. Answer is No. Thus it is "aid" granted to a student.
3. Are cadets or midshipmen students? Answer is Yes
4. Does not the taxpayers of this nation, through taxes, pay for the education received at military academies? Answer is Yes. Thus the foundation here is the taxpayers.

So, having met all the requirements for a "scholarship" it appears technically that our military academies do meet the requirements for offering "scholarships".

So, it appears that there are those that are flapping their gums for no apparent reason. Get over it and start figuring out who of the current candidates can change the course of this country and get it back on the right track. Since over 60% of the population thinks we are going in the wrong direction....

We hear Hillary's various trials & travails called a "manufactured controversy".
Seems applicable here too.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I've had more conversations than I can count, trying to convince people that there's no real evidence that Obama is a Muslim.
I've also had many wherein people claimed that Sara Palin said she could see "Russia from her house".
They just couldn't believe that what they remember was really a comedy bit by Tina Fey on SNL.

I believe in hating people for the right reasons.

But haven't you seen the Prayer Curtains?!?

** You're absolutely right

 

[Revoltingest]

But haven't you seen the Prayer Curtains?!?

** You're absolutely right

I wouldn't know a prayer curtain if it came up & bit me.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I wouldn't know a prayer curtain if it came up & bit me.

I imagine you could say that about any number of other non-existent things.