Benjamin Netanyahu's statement actually offends me. Am I wromg to be offended?

[LuisDantas]

I truly wonder. How sincere can any leader that invokes nationalism and militarism be these days?

Then again, there are communities that make a point of electing those who are likely to do just that, regrettable as that is, so who knows.

 

[lunakilo]

Wow, so Danes can get offended too. What next? Offended Canadians?

Yes, appantly we do

We just don't have huge riots, burn embassies and beat people to death when it happens, so it rarely makes the news.

 

[lunakilo]

Possibly a relevant article:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/15/european-jewish-association-
protection-antisemitic-attacks-copenhagen
Rabbi Jair Melchior, a senior member of Copenhagen’s Jewish community, and son of Rabbi Michael Melchior, a left-leaning religious leader, said that he was “disappointed” by Netanyahu’s call for emigration, and insisted that he and his colleagues in Copenhagen were reluctant to “let terror win”.


“Terror is not a reason to move to Israel,” he said. “Hopefully the security should do what they do, but our lives have to continue naturally. Terror’s goal is to change our lives and we won’t let it.” Melchior said the first step for the Danish Jewish community was to “gather and be there for each other”.


“We will go to the family and be there with them,” he said. “It’s not an easy time. We lost a dear member of the community and now we have to continue doing what he did, which was helping continue the regular Jewish lives in Denmark. This is the real answer to the vicious, cruel and cowardly act of terror.”

 

[Flankerl]

A jew was attacked.
Jews ingeneral were not the main target since most of the people attacked were not jews.

The only reason Jews in general weren't attacked is because he failed to kill the two policemen in front of the synagogue.

That is really the only reason. If he had done that no one could have stopped him from entering the synagogue. But I know far too many people on this Forum who probably believe that he wouldn't have done that. And even if it wouldn't be his fault to begin with.

It does come across like some sort of seige mentality, retreating to within the town walls.

So how do you feel about the Jewish community in Argentina? They pretty much "retreated to within their town walls" since 1994. I know this because a second cousin of mine lives there.

I wonder what made them do that. Probably this siege mentality.

So it does. And that might be a good idea until perhaps the 18th century. In the 21st it is questionable at the very best. Priorities must be different now.

Okay I got a proposal. You convince the Islamists and Nazis not to murder us and we won't make a deal about it.

Deal?

So it is low level now? Somehow it seemed to be more serious during all those wars and with all those missiles, but what do I know.

Maybe I should just ignore any future claims about how Israel needs to employ its military, since the conflict is so "low level".

Yeah its a low level conflict. Always has been.
List of ongoing armed conflicts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just because its a low level conflict it doesn't mean that the military isn't needed. Which was the obvious answer you were already giving.

 

[LuisDantas]

Just because its a low level conflict it doesn't mean that the military isn't needed. Which was the obvious answer you were already giving.

It does answer my question, that much is true.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Amazing that one dead jew(terrorist attack that i condemn severely) is worth lives of thousands palestinians and 3 american students killed by terrorists.


By the way the copenhagen media coverages still continues. Compare that to the chapel hill terrorist attack. Only one hour coverage, ppl are done with it.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Is bigotry a proper word in this case, though, Smart Guy? Whatever faults the Israeli PM may have, he is no stranger to Islamic thought.

We are talking people here, not religions. the PM is a human, Islam (from Islamic thought) is a religion. We can talk about religion in another thread to keep the pace of this one intact for now. I could agree with you if you mention a Muslim saying or doing something, why not!

Why I said bigotry is because of the way he addressed the whole Jewish population while giving hints against Europe and Islam, while the criminal was a single Muslim and there was a single Jewish victim among many other, plus the cause that criminal Muslims had was not originally related to Jews. This could cause serious problems; spreading hatred against Islam and Europe. If the PM really cared for the Jews, there was no need to give those hints. Ulterior motives are implied everywhere in his speech.

I'm not saying that you are wrong of course. I'm only explaining why I used the word bigotry

I hope I'm making sense actually. I'm not really into politics.

 

[LuisDantas]

We are talking people here, not religions. the PM is a human, Islam (from Islamic thought) is a religion. We can talk about religion in another thread to keep the pace of this one intact for now. I could agree with you if you mention a Muslim saying or doing something, why not!

Why I said bigotry is because of the way he addressed the whole Jewish population while giving hints against Europe and Islam, while the criminal was a single Muslim and there was a single Jewish victim among many other, plus the cause that criminal Muslims had was not originally related to Jews. This could cause serious problems; spreading hatred against Islam and Europe. If the PM really cared for the Jews, there was no need to give those hints. Ulterior motives are implied everywhere in his speech.

I'm not saying that you are wrong of course. I'm only explaining why I used the word bigotry

I hope I'm making sense actually. I'm not really into politics.

Benjamin Netanyahu's statement was very direct and clear. He did mean to say that the Jewish People are under considerable danger of being targeted by violence out of being Jewish alone, at least in Europe, and he is explicitly blaming Islamic terrorism for that danger.

Given the circunstances, it is at the very least a reasonable assumption. I can't very well call him bigoted for that.

Copenhagen shootings suspect was 'known to police' | World news | The Guardian

The killings began at about 3.30pm local time on Saturday, when a man attacked the Krudttønden cafe during a debate featuring the controversial Swedish artist Lars Vilks, who had depicted the prophet Muhammad in cartoons.

It is a bit too much to expect it to be a coincidence that the killings happened under those circunstances - and what reason could a non-Muslim possibly have to want to draw blood in such a fairly suicidal attack?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

@LuisDantas do u see netanyahu as jewish terrorist responsible for terrorizing palestinian elders, children and women? Killing thousands of palestinians?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Benjamin Netanyahu's statement was very direct and clear. He did mean to say that the Jewish People are under considerable danger of being targeted by violence out of being Jewish alone, at least in Europe, and he is explicitly blaming Islamic terrorism for that danger.

Sounds like bigotry to me. An honest speech as I see it would have said terrorism in general and social problems hurting Jews, without mentioning specifics. That would have sounded more caring for the Jewish population.

But again that's just me. You probably are right, regardless to me not being convinced so far.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't see why you would be offended. It appears that Jews have good reason to be concerned and it makes sense that the Israeli PM would make those remarks because Israel has been viewed as a safe haven for Jews since its inception.

 

[LuisDantas]

@LuisDantas do u see netanyahu as jewish terrorist responsible for terrorizing palestinian elders, children and women? Killing thousands of palestinians?

I pretty much do, although I mainly see him as an irresponsible fearmonger and a dangerous nationalist.

Truth be told, removing him without other changes would only mean having some other dangerous nationalist in his place, quite possibly a worse one.

 

[LuisDantas]

Sounds like bigotry to me. An honest speech as I see it would have said terrorism in general and social problems hurting Jews, without mentioning specifics. That would have sounded more caring for the Jewish population.

I don't think that would be honest. To the best of my knowledge there is nearly no danger to Jewish People these days from non-Muslims.

 

[rosends]

A jew was attacked.
Jews ingeneral were not the main target since most of the people attacked were not jews.

So in the same way, a cartoonist was attacked. Since most who were killed were not cartoonists defaming Mohammed, cartoonists were not attacked so all others should feel absolutely safe. Are you really saying that, after a series of encounters in which there is a common identity thread, no others of the same group should worry? In the Charlie Hebdo case, others besides cartoonists were killed. So your sense is that other cartoonists should have felt targeted. If instead of one Jew having been killed while guarding a synagogue in Copenhagen, more Jews were killed so that the numbers reflected "main target" then, and only then, could someone characterize this as "Jews were attacked"? And if hypothetically someone firebombs an empty synagogue, and kills a policeman in the process, that means that Jews weren't targeted because "most people attacked" were not Jews. You have a strange way of quantifying who was attacked.

When one goes to a synagogue and fires at it, one is targeting Jews. If 3 people were killed at a cafe, and then in a separate incident, a Jew is killed in front of a synagogue, or people are shot in a kosher market, Jews are being targeted. Are others also being targeted? Sure. Who said they weren't. But when someone goes to a place associated with a group, it is clear that his intent is to attack that group. Firing shots at the capitol and killing 4 tourists from Iowa doesn't mean that the target wasn't politicianS.

 

[rosends]

Direct quotes, I can and will support or defend. The inferences you imaginatively attribute to them I will not.

and yet you haven't.

 

[rosends]

So it is low level now? Somehow it seemed to be more serious during all those wars and with all those missiles, but what do I know.

Maybe I should just ignore any future claims about how Israel needs to employ its military, since the conflict is so "low level".

It is that military which keeps it at a low level. A unified and autonomous country can provide deterrence and therefore protection for its citizens.

 

[Flankerl]

Amazing that one dead jew(terrorist attack that i condemn severely) is worth lives of thousands palestinians and 3 american students killed by terrorists.

What are you even talking about? What thousands of Palestinians or three dead Students?
Oh wait you mean completely separate incidents which have nothing to do with this one. I see we are already going the usual "look what they have done"-line.

 

[LuisDantas]

It is that military which keeps it at a low level. A unified and autonomous country can provide deterrence and therefore protection for its citizens.

And all it takes is accepting the small price of treating neighbors as forever dangerous opponents who every now and then become dangerous and desperate enough to be suicidally predatorial and homicidal.

No, thanks.

 

[rosends]

And all it takes is accepting the small price of treating neighbors as forever dangerous opponents who every now and then become dangerous and desperate enough to be suicidally predatorial and homicidal.

No, thanks.

If middle east politics were as simple as you present it, then maybe I'd agree. You can speak with Jordan and Egypt about that. They made it simple. If you want to accept the "now and then" dangerous neighbors then you will make a great prime minister of England in 1938.

 

[CMike]

A jew was attacked.
Jews ingeneral were not the main target since most of the people attacked were not jews.

The target was a Jewish synagogue. Obviously, it was Jews that were targeted.