Benjamin Netanyahu's statement actually offends me. Am I wromg to be offended?

[Bunyip]

Then you haven't spent any time in Israel. Fewer people spit on you as you walk the streets.
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They don't spit on you on the street in Melbourne either, nor do they get rockets fired at them.
Oh and by the way, that moron could have walked through the bad part of town in almost any city on earth and got picked on - and of course large areas of Israel particularly.

 

[rosends]

They don't spit on you on the street in Melbourne either, nor do they get rockets fired at them.
Oh and by the way, that moron could have walked through the bad part of town in almost any city on earth and got picked on.

So you think he was walking through the "bad part" of town? And that would be based on what, exactly? Are you saying that in some places, anti-Semitism is to be expected so it isn't a problem?

Ah Australia...

Gaza war lets the anti-Semitic genie out of its Australian bottle

Former Israeli soldier beaten up in 'anti-Semitic' attack | Daily Mail Online



Anti-Semitic attacks haunt Jewish community | Melbourne Tribune

 

[Bunyip]

So you think he was walking through the "bad part" of town? And that would be based on what, exactly? Are you saying that in some places, anti-Semitism is to be expected so it isn't a problem?

No. I said nothing of the sort.

Ah Australia...

That graph shows a tiny occurrence of violence against Jews, what did you see?

 

[rosends]

No. I said nothing of the sort.

That graph shows a tiny occurrence of violence against Jews, what did you see?

a tiny occurrence? LOL! I saw a substantial rise over the last ten years of 3 kinds of anti-Semitic violence. Maybe you think that this is "tiny" but the people who have to live with it don't exactly agree with you. I guess it is easy to diminish violence when it happens to someone else.

 

[Bunyip]

a tiny occurrence? LOL! I saw a substantial rise over the last ten years of 3 kinds of anti-Semitic violence. Maybe you think that this is "tiny" but the people who have to live with it don't exactly agree with you. I guess it is easy to diminish violence when it happens to someone else.

Yes, I think 20 incidences of violence against Jews over 12 months is a tiny occurrence. Not significantly different to that of the general population. And lower than the incidence in Israel, which seems to ruin your point.

Strangely the figure you cited is in fact substantially lower than the incidence of violence in the general population. So Jews are far, far more likely to be the victim of a violent assault that has nothing to do with their Judaeism.

 

[rosends]

Yes, I think 20 incidences of violence against Jews over 12 months is a tiny occurrence. Not significantly different to that of the general population. And lower than the incidence in Israel, which seems to ruin your point.

ah, so only actual violence matters to you. The actual number of incidents, 150 in 2013, is slightly less tiny. But probably still within the range of what you find acceptable, I guess.

Those silly Jews -- how do they know how they feel and if if it is appropriate. You should tell them they have nothing to fear.

Haaretz.Com

 

[Bunyip]

ah, so only actual violence matters to you.

Nope. I suggest you stop trying to guess at what I think - you are really bad at it.

The actual number of incidents, 150 in 2013, is slightly less tiny. But probably still within the range of what you find acceptable, I guess.

150 is tiny. The rate of violent crime in Australia is roughly 70/100,000 per year. Which would total over 18,000 incidents.

 

[Flankerl]

We welcome our Moslem brothers and sisters, however Islamists are a very small proportion of them.

Oh your reaction on the future threads is going to be fun.

Jews like all people are better off in multicultural societies.

Do tell.

New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies chief executive Vic Alhadeff said similarly in Australia Jews have experienced increased hostility over the last 12 months.

"Here in Australia, it is a concern as well and the numbers are increasing," he said.

"Last year we saw a 35 per cent increase in anti-Semitic incidents over 2013."

"A couple of those which will come to mind, most recently, late last year, we saw a busload of about 30 young Jewish children, some aged as young as five, on their way home from school of an afternoon, [who] were subjected to physical and verbal threats by half a dozen drunken teenagers who boarded their bus and made threats like 'kill the Jews', 'we will slit your throats', 'heil Hitler' and then threw into the mix, 'free Palestine'.

"And, as I mentioned, these were young children, some as young as five years old."

Mr Alhadeff said there were also many other incidents across the country.

"In Perth, a Rabbi and his driver were threatened. In Melbourne, a man was assaulted. And back here in Sydney, in Bondi, five members of the Jewish community walking home from synagogue after a Friday night family dinner were viciously assaulted with bleeding on the brain, fractured cheekbones, et cetera.," he said.

"So the community sees what is happening in Europe, sees what is happening here in our own country and is understandably concerned."

UK Jewish community endures record year of anti-Semitic incidents; Australian attacks also up - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

LOL You are a fantastic example of exactly the mindset any sane Jew would avoid like the plague, rather than migrate towards.

Care to be more specific?
Probably not.

But what about the civilian death rate on home soil from other nationalities? I would take a guess and think that Isreal is on the worser side of this compared to Mexico and US.

Mexico probably not. Why? The Central American borders.

 

[Bunyip]

Oh your reaction on the future threads is going to be fun.




Do tell.






Care to be more specific?

If you wish.

Probably not.





Mexico probably not. Why? The Central American borders.

 

[rosends]

Nope. I suggest you stop trying to guess at what I think - you are really bad at it. 150 is tiny. The rate of violent crime in Australia is roughly 70/100,000 per year. Which would total over 18,000 incidents.

And yet the population of Jews seems to think that you are wrong and that there has been a rise. Note the quote, "
“Everyone is talking about this incessantly, fearing that the world is no longer recognizable, and living in fear of an impending catastrophe. The community is in a tailspin and looking for answers.”

Prof. Danny Ben-Moshe, another Melbourne-based academic who analyzes anti-Semitism, agreed there had been a shift within Australian Jewry but stopped short of describing it as “seismic.”"

But hey, you know better. What they are experiencing is "tiny" and they shouldn't worry. Thanks for the reassurance. By the way, was the incident on the school bus considered "violence" or was it not actually violent because the teenagers only threatened to slit the little kids' throats? Just for classification purposes, you know.

 

[Flankerl]

If you wish.

You are a very special snowflake aren't you?

 

[Bunyip]

And yet the population of Jews seems to think that you are wrong and that there has been a rise.

Not only are you bad at guessing what I think, you don't seem to read well. Yes In know that there has been an increase. Never said otherwise.

Note the quote, "
“Everyone is talking about this incessantly, fearing that the world is no longer recognizable, and living in fear of an impending catastrophe. The community is in a tailspin and looking for answers.”

Prof. Danny Ben-Moshe, another Melbourne-based academic who analyzes anti-Semitism, agreed there had been a shift within Australian Jewry but stopped short of describing it as “seismic.”"

But hey, you know better.

I agree with him.

What they are experiencing is "tiny" and they shouldn't worry.

Your responses seem to consist entirely of putting words into my mouth.

Thanks for the reassurance. By the way, was the incident on the school bus considered "violence" or was it not actually violent because the teenagers only threatened to slit the little kids' throats? Just for classification purposes, you know.

 

[Bunyip]

You are a very special snowflake aren't you?

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[rosends]

Not only are you bad at guessing what I think, you don't seem to read well. Yes In know that there has been an increase. Never said otherwise. I agree with him. Your responses seem to consist entirely of putting words into my mouth.

Gee, I'm sorry. Clearly, when you insisted that the incidence of anti-Semitic acts was tiny, you meant that it merited note and people should be concerned about being Jewish in Australia. Good on you.

 

[Bunyip]

Gee, I'm sorry. Clearly, when you insisted that the incidence of anti-Semitic acts was tiny, you meant that it merited note and people should be concerned about being Jewish in Australia. Good on you.

As I said, putting words into my mouth seems your sole tactic.
Like flanker, you prove my point. So thanks.

 

[rosends]

As I said, putting words into my mouth seems your sole tactic.
Like flanker, you prove my point. So thanks.

I can only respond to what you said. You want to claim words are put in your mouth because you won't take ownership of what you actually said. So that goes pretty far in proving my point about not only the incidence of anti-semitism but the approach of people towards it. Thanks for being the poster boy on that.

 

[Flankerl]

Thanks for proving my point.

Yeah yeah all I was asking you was to be more precise. But hey this is the Internet, what was I thinking.

Like flanker

No I am not an Russian Aircraft.

 

[Bunyip]

I can only respond to what you said. You want to claim words are put in your mouth because you won't take ownership of what you actually said.

LOL, no need for lies. I stand by everything I have said - just quote me. What I do not need to stand by are your 'interpretations'.

So that goes pretty far in proving my point about not only the incidence of anti-semitism but the approach of people towards it. Thanks for being the poster boy on that.

The incidence of anti semitism in Australia is tiny, it has increased, but remains tiny. Jews are far more likely to be a victim of non-religiously based crime.

 

[Bunyip]

Yeah yeah all I was asking you was to be more precise. But hey this is the Internet.....

Your 'snowflake' comment said it all. No need to elaborate further

 

[rosends]

LOL, no need for lies. I stand by everything I have said - just quote me. What I do not need to stand by are your 'interpretations'.The incidence of anti semitism in Australia is tiny, it has increased, but remains tiny. Jews are far more likely to be a victim of non-religiously based crime.

So I need to track the logic behind each of your statements and the response? Do you have that much trouble following an adult conversation?

You said "They don't spit on you on the street in Melbourne either, nor do they get rockets fired at them." so I countered by showing the incidence (increasing) of anti-Semitic acts in Australia which would undercut your claim that things are all peaches and cream. You made a comment about the liklihood of a Jew being assaulted not because of his religion (a claim that you made no effort to back up, BTW).

Your response, instead of recognizing that there is a threat, was to diminish the incidents based on numbers as "tiny". You actually, at one point, cited only violent acts as that number which was presented even though the statistic was 7.5 times higher than what you cited. You reiterated that the population is not subject to a significant number of attacks so I pointed to quotes from the people who actually live there who disagree and say that not only is the number rising (something which you never conceded until post 152) but that it is cause for concern and calls into question your initial premise about the relative safety of living in Australia as a visible Jew. Instead of accepting the testimony of actual people who have to live there you insist that the incidence is tiny. Now, why would you insist that? Is it because you think that no matter the number, if the impact is as big as they say, there is merit in that? Or is it that you believe that the number, because it is, in your words a "tiny occurrence" still affords Jews there with a lifestyle that is free and comfortable. I didn't realize that calling the number "tiny" was your way of saying "significant" and "problematic" and "cause for concern."

So call names. Obfuscate. Avoid the issue. And by trying to point out your version of the numbers, feel free to diminish what the Jewish residents feel as quoted in a number of articles I posted. This isn't about interpretation. This is about what you have said. If you can't keep up, I can't help you with that.

Neat statistic, but old one -- in 1997, of the 556 crimes against persons assigned the title "hate crime based on religion" 453 were anti-Jewish. Even then, the percentage of all religion based hate crimes was disproportionately about Judaism.