Benjamin Netanyahu's statement actually offends me. Am I wromg to be offended?

[LuisDantas]

Mike said: ↑
It's hardly paranoia. The arab leadership constantly say and act upon their threats to try and kill all the Jews.

At least they are in a position to protect themselves.



That IS the point.

That is depressing. I am tempted to actually believe you in that, disrespectful a thought as that is.

 

[CMike]

Indeed they do as evidenced by wars with Arab armies.
However the feeling of safety isn't real safety.
Israel and it's citizens are under attack constantly, need to be in defense mode
all the time.
They should be in defense mode all the time. The need is apparent and who could fault them for being on the defense and appeal to Jews to return to Israel for mutual
defense.
The Israel people understand the goal of islam far, far, better than the sheeple
of other nations.

If I'm under attack, I would rather be under attack with a powerful military protecting me, than by being defenseless.

 

[LuisDantas]

If I'm under attack, I would rather be under attack with a powerful military protecting me, than by being defenseless.

Is that the best you aim to? Being hopelessly entangled in and endless, meaningless war with all of your people?

You all truly deserve better.

 

[dust1n]

If a Semitic Jew kills a Semitic Muslim, is the Semitic Jew Anti-Semitic?

While the conjunction of the units anti, Semite and ism indicates antisemitism as being directed against all Semitic people, the term was popularized in Germany in 1873 as a scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"),[4] although it had been used for at least two decades prior,[5] and that has been its normal use since then.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

 

[JRMcC]

It's almost like radical Islamic are targeting Jews or something.

Gosh, why would the Islamic world be upset with the Jewish world?

Edit: You describe Muslim hatred of Jews as something without a cause. It makes it sound like Arab Muslims are just these wild evil people who hate Jews for no reason. Regardless of what you think if the Israel-Palestine conflict, you have to acknowledge that it's the main source of the hatred. I'm no saying you don't acknowledge, it's just that the way you write it sounds like you don't.

 

[Tarheeler]

Is that the best you aim to? Being hopelessly entangled in and endless, meaningless war with all of your people?

You all truly deserve better.

He never presented it as what we "aim" for, Luis.
He presented as the current reality.

 

[LuisDantas]

He never presented it as what we "aim" for, Luis.
He presented as the current reality.

Sorry, Tarheeler. He is still presenting it as a goal, as a best possible choice.

I can not and will not approve of that.

 

[Awoon]

now you have moved to a completely different line of discussion, creating this fiction of superiority and familial bond exacerbated by a binary opposition of "one controls the oil and the other controls the money."

Is that statement anti-semitic? No, the ignorance and bigotry in it go far beyond that local label.

Well that's the way it goes sometimes. Many Americans agree with me. We are tired of Baby Sitting the Near East Family of whiners.

 

[Tarheeler]

Sorry, Tarheeler. He is still presenting it as a goal, as a best possible choice.

I can not and will not approve of that.

Much like with lunakilo's view of Netenyahu's statement, it it interesting how our perceptions color what we hear and read.
And it doesn't really matter what we approve of.

 

[LuisDantas]

Much like with lunakilo's view of Netenyahu's statement, it it interesting how our perceptions color what we hear and read.
And it doesn't really matter what we approve of.

I have no idea of what you mean.

 

[metis]

Let me just say that we, as Jews, have seen this picture before. Yes, it's not just Jews being attacked, so we well understand that and sympathize and grieve for others as well, but there's also no doubt that we are being especially targeted, and that having some thoughts about moving to Israel is quite logical and enticing under the circumstances of what's been recently happening.

 

[Tarheeler]

I have no idea of what you mean.

I don't doubt that.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't doubt that.

And since you are not attempting to clarify, I take it that you don't mind whether there is understanding - and by extension, whether there is support or acceptance either?

I so hope I am just misjudging you.

 

[Flankerl]

Gosh, why would the Islamic world be upset with the Jewish world?

Edit: You describe Muslim hatred of Jews as something without a cause. It makes it sound like Arab Muslims are just these wild evil people who hate Jews for no reason. Regardless of what you think if the Israel-Palestine conflict, you have to acknowledge that it's the main source of the hatred. I'm no saying you don't acknowledge, it's just that the way you write it sounds like you don't.

Yes the vile oppression of Palestinian Arabs by Danish/French/Swedish/Dutch/Belgian/... Jews.

Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud, Jaish Muhammad sa ya'ud....

 

[LuisDantas]

Let me just say that we, as Jews, have seen this picture before. Yes, it's not just Jews being attacked, so we well understand that and sympathize and grieve for others as well, but there's also no doubt that we are being especially targeted, and that having some thoughts about moving to Israel is quite logical and enticing under the circumstances of what's been recently happening.

Fair enough. But also far more than a bit self-defeating. Emphasizing nationalistic and militaristic strategies will bite you back. As it is bound to. As it has ever done to everyone else to choose such ways.

 

[Tarheeler]

And since you are not attempting to clarify, I take it that you don't mind whether there is understanding - and by extension, whether there is support or acceptance either?

I so hope I am just misjudging you.

I'm not going to attempt to clarify because I am positive that it is something we are not going to see eye to eye on.
And I think that's OK.

We don't need to have common ground on everything, Luis.

 

[metis]

Fair enough. But also far more than a bit self-defeating. Emphasizing nationalistic and militaristic strategies will bite you back. As it is bound to. As it has ever done to everyone else to choose such ways.

People considering leaving in order to protect themselves and their families I hardly consider "nationalistic" or "militaristic".

 

[gsa]

The Israeli right wants all European Jews in Israel, or at least calls for it to encourage fear. Not that Jews living anywhere have no reason to fear Islamic violence.

Note he rarely makes these calls for American Jews. Some do, but far less emphatically.

Anyway, I think Israel is not a very safe place to live. I'd feel much safer in Europe.

 

[lunakilo]

yes, and those drawing cartoons of Mohammed aren't being targeted either...a guy ran around in G=France and in Denmark and killed people, some of whom just happened to be cartoonists who drew Mohammed. Pure coincidence that a kosher market and a synagogue were shot at.

You are kind of making my point.

One of the the people the guy with the gun tried to kill was a cartoonist, and not a Jew (as far as I know), so the whole idea that this is an attack purely against jews is just wrong.

[Sigh!] This thread is just getting too messy to make much sense. I am getting tired of repeating my points.

 

[lunakilo]

It's almost like radical Islamic are targeting Jews or something.

Did I just turn into a radical islamist for telling you what the statement sounds like to me?