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Benjamin Netanyahu's statement actually offends me. Am I wromg to be offended?

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
I acknowledge that the quote can be seen as a conflation where the recent attacks are being used as justification for the notion that all Jews are being solely targeted. However, I find it very difficult to be unsympathetic to the call for Jewish populations around the world to "come home" to Israel. You see, the tale of Jewish persecution is a very discouraging tale. Targeted for countless centuries for solely being the Other signifies that this isn't something trivial that people are dealing with. It is representative of a recalcitrant theme that really has no practical method of being stopped. And therefore, I find Netanyahu's urging to be an expression of nationalistic passion that is historically justified. Even though the individuals killed were not all Jews, there can be no doubt that anti-Semitism is on the rise. And for a continent that prides itself on being the stalwart of secularism and forward thinking, Europe is not doing enough to curtail, let alone extinguish, the disastrous venom of anti-Semitism that still poisons many of its countries.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
You are kind of making my point.

One of the the people the guy with the gun tried to kill was a cartoonist, and not a Jew (as far as I know), so the whole idea that this is an attack purely against jews is just wrong.

[Sigh!] This thread is just getting too messy to make much sense. I am getting tired of repeating my points.

It sure is frustrating. There are some mighty delusions associated with militant nationalism.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
You are kind of making my point.

One of the the people the guy with the gun tried to kill was a cartoonist, and not a Jew (as far as I know), so the whole idea that this is an attack purely against jews is just wrong.

[Sigh!] This thread is just getting too messy to make much sense. I am getting tired of repeating my points.
I never said it was only Jews. No one has said that on this thread at all. But the claim made was "No it is NOT Jews being targeted" (you said that, post #73). If it isn't Jews then it isn't "those who draw Mohammed." Are these attacks all so completely random (and statistically improbably as coincidences) in your mind? Really?
 

lunakilo

Well-Known Member
I never said it was only Jews. No one has said that on this thread at all. But the claim made was "No it is NOT Jews being targeted" (you said that, post #73). If it isn't Jews then it isn't "those who draw Mohammed." Are these attacks all so completely random (and statistically improbably as coincidences) in your mind? Really?

How about we go all the way back to post #10. Try reading that one, that is pretty much my point

Them try reading post #78

...
I am sure the attacker ment to kill the Jew he killed. I am also sure he ment to kill as many of the people at the meeting/debate as he could. I don't think there is any coincidences here. ...

As I said I am getting tired of repeating myself.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
How about we go all the way back to post #10. Try reading that one, that is pretty much my point

Them try reading post #78



As I said I am getting tired of repeating myself.
Yeah, um, I responded to post 78 in my post 84, pointing out the error in your statement. You didn't address that. What you did say is "No it is NOT Jews being targeted." That pretty much says what it says, don't you think? I can see how you would get tired if all you do is repeat yourself and don't read what others respond with.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
If this is about Netanyahu suggesting Jews should maybe get out of Europe and move to Israel, I am not Jewish nor was I born a Jew, so I probably should not speak for Jews whether they should be or not be personally offended. I can only speak for myself, personally.

Personally, I think it is too early to cut and run from Europe to Israel if one were a Jew. There are a lot of anti-semitics in Europe, but Europe has also far too long allowed Islamic nutjobs come as illegal aliens or legal immigration even though they are commiting cultural genocide on Europeans and literally want to finish the job of the Nazis and then move onto burning all other religions, politicos, atheists and homosexuals alive in cages after they get done with European Jews and Hindus too.

Actually, after Jews, the Hindus like me are higher on the Islamic Extremist extermination list than even Christians. Some folks don't know that.

I am not about to surrender England to Pakistani fascists Sunni nutjobs, nor France to Iranian mass murdering Muslim jihadees, and never will I surrender beloved Holland (Netherlands) to either.

In fact, in the long run, I don't think the Islamic Extremists ever will be able to "take over", not Europe nor even Iraq in the end. And eventually the regime in Iran will fall to their own people. But we probably will have to fight World War Three after 2 more years of Obama.

But I DO think Jews in Yemen should cut and run to Israel, so Net isn't that far off the mark.

Nice guy, Net, I like him a lot and am more offended by Obama than Bibi.

Some of these Euro Jews might consider coming to Texas, however. They would fit in well and make good money. Personally I don't want to move to Texas. It is being invaded by South of the Border types by Obama agenda to swing Texas from Red to Blue to use voter fraud to lock in 2016 for Dems. So I think we should bring in hordes of Jews, Russians, Indians, Hungarians, and such into Texas to offset this favortism of Mexicans over all others.

Wow, what a tirade! I LOVE IT!:D:D:D
You get THREE smiles on that post.
Finally someone with gonads to speak plain truth.
There will be a reckoning, probably sooner than later and the muslim wrold is going t feel the idignation of a world fed up with Obama and his flock of tolerant sheeple.
Listen: Is it not clear to anyone with a room temperature I.Q. that the goal of islam is world dominance, that the Qu'ran promotes murdering infidels,
Infidels would be anyone not islamic.
Anyone.
That Net is outraged is understandable. Jews have suffered way too long in a world dominated by hatred. Net speaks the truth even tho the leader of the most powerful nation on earth refuses to.
The insane criminal behavior of ISIS is a mere relection of islam.
Hitler would cringe at the barabarism displayed by muslims who burn fellow muslims alive, behead journalists and humanitarian aid workers, throw those suspected of homosexuality off rooftops of sharia courts.
What part of "they want to KILL you" don't you understand????
Evidently some with the western mind can not accept reality when they see it.
Ergo the term "sheeple". Sheep get led without even the most base form of animal survival to the slaughter pen. Tho sheep get a hammer to the head, hung by the rear legs, the throat slit, right in front of the entire flock, not one sheep will bolt and attempt to save it's own life.
Sheep have been bred for thousands of years to act like dumb sheep.
Even a PIG won't follow another pig into the slaughter pen without a fierce struggle.
So it is with sheeple who have been indocrinated with political correctness, tolerance beyond sense, to be led by the Obama's of the world to death and destruction of all they hold dear.
This behavior of the attitude of "peace at any price" is reminescent of Britains Lord Chamberlain who went to Hilter and asked for a signed declaration that the Nazis would not wage war on England. Chamberlain was a stupid man, and poor judge of what had been transpiring before his eyes in Europe.
Hilter happily signed the document of non agression for Lord Chamberlain.
Prime Misinster of Englan returned with the document, waiving it before the camera and pronounced "peace in our time".
What a fool. Most of the Brits believed that lie and were shocked when Hitler invaded France, defeated France in 6 weeks, trapped the British Army on the beaches.
Were it not for non military volunteeers with any boat that floated the British army would have been obliterated on the beaches of DunKirk France.
That 60% of men were saved with a painful loss of 80% war material, is a miracle.
It's way past time to call a spade a spade and face head on the threat to our children, our lives, our culture our values, everything we hold dear. Everything
that makes us a free people.
I can't readily find the article on the web in which the ISIS leader said, just 2 days ago; " Islam is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of the sword, and we will defeat any attempt to destroy our god, Praise be Allah."
Is there anything in that statement that someone will not understand?
I actually TRIED to get overseas and join the Pershmega last year only to be rejected due to my crippling injuries.
I have never, ever, shot anyone did not I ever entertain the notion.
I am, however highly skilled in the tactical use of all small arms and am a
very well trained sniper.
I was ready to go to Iraq, Syria, wherever I would have a fighting chance to do my bit in a bid to stop as many barbarians as possible.
Rather an older man die trying than a young military person be sacrificed.
Perhaps, if these last surgical wonders should work for me, I can be accepted and not be a burden on others fighting for freedom.
Then again, if I wait, there may be an opportunity to defend the innocent when these "nutjobs" show up in my local Walmart.:mad::mad:
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
I acknowledge that the quote can be seen as a conflation where the recent attacks are being used as justification for the notion that all Jews are being solely targeted. However, I find it very difficult to be unsympathetic to the call for Jewish populations around the world to "come home" to Israel. You see, the tale of Jewish persecution is a very discouraging tale. Targeted for countless centuries for solely being the Other signifies that this isn't something trivial that people are dealing with. It is representative of a recalcitrant theme that really has no practical method of being stopped. And therefore, I find Netanyahu's urging to be an expression of nationalistic passion that is historically justified. Even though the individuals killed were not all Jews, there can be no doubt that anti-Semitism is on the rise. And for a continent that prides itself on being the stalwart of secularism and forward thinking, Europe is not doing enough to curtail, let alone extinguish, the disastrous venom of anti-Semitism that still poisons many of its countries.
+100000000
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
No, that woudn't offend me, but that is not what Netanyahu's statement sounds like to me.

What it sounds like to me is "We are sorry that some people died. But SOMEONE KILLED A JEW!!! THOSE EUROPEANS DON'T CARE ABOUT JEWS. ALL JEWS SHOULD COME TO ISRAEL, THEN I WILL FIX EVERYTHING AND ALL JEWS CAN BE HAPPY!"

He actually says that 'Israel is the home of every Jew.' I am pretty sure Dan Uzan felt Denmark was his home.
What he said is that Jews are being targeted.

The one of the latest of attacks on Jewish targets in Europe.

Some Jews are afraid to go outside.

Copenhagen rabbi says Jews now fear leaving homes | The Times of Israel

These attacks have been on the rise.

These Jews whom are threatened should move back to Israel.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
His sort of ultra nationalism is truly unfortunate. Of all people the Jews should understand the dangers of Nationalism.
I would also hate for his wish to come true. If Australia's large Jewish population were to migrate to Israel it would be a terrible loss, it would also be the end of a happy, successful and prosperous community.

I also dislike the notion of encouraging free, safe and secure communities to relocate to one of the most dangerous places on earth, where there is an all too common tendency for perpetuating conflict, brinkmanship and xenophobia.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Mexico? The US?

Oh wait you mean the rather low level conflict surrounding Israel.
Compared to where the Jewish community in Melbourne live, Israel is Somalia.
Same goes for Denmark, it is a very peaceful. equitable and tolerant society.

As to the US, the Jews have made an incomprehensibly vast contribution to US culture, it would be a tragedy if they left. Your other example was Mexico, and yes I think that Mexico has a rich culture and a very bright future, far better than the nihilism and brinkmanship endemic in the Middle East.

So yes, Jews are better off in so many other countries.

There are sadly among the Jews in Israel a number of zealots who would see the Middle East reduced to ashes rather than simply cooperate with their neighbours. I would advise keeping as many thousands of kilometres from such madmen as possible.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Mexico? The US?

Oh wait you mean the rather low level conflict surrounding Israel.


Cheap shot! Why not include Canada while you're at it, so you can go for a slam dunk and say North America?

I wonder if relocating all the Jews to one location is a good idea especially with certain enemies of Isreal developmenting nukes.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Compared to where the Jewish community in Melbourne live, Israel is Somalia.
Same goes for Denmark, it is a very peaceful. equitable and tolerant society.

Well Melbourne and Denmark have a rising Islamist population. Don't worry it will only get worse.


As to the US, the Jews have made an incomprehensibly vast contribution to US culture, it would be a tragedy if they left. Your other example was Mexico, and yes I think that Mexico has a rich culture and a very bright future, far better than the nihilism and brinkmanship endemic in the Middle East.

Over 10000 people die every year through gun related violence in the US.
Mexico... well... uhm... the Drug War. Some +150.000 casualties since 2006. Basically paradise.


There are sadly among the Jews in Israel a number of zealots who would see the Middle East reduced to ashes rather than simply cooperate with their neighbours. I would advise keeping as many thousands of kilometres from such madmen as possible.

You are one of those who were/are in favour of giving back the Golan prior to a peace agreement with Syria aren't you?
Those people have become rather quite for some time now. I wonder what changed.

PS: Israel is cooperating with Jordan and Egypt.
Which started after peace treaties were achieved. <- HUGE HINT!!!



Cheap shot! Why not include Canada while you're at it, so you can go for a slam dunk and say North America?

Canada? Canada is okay.

Loyalists are apparently the better people.


I wonder if relocating all the Jews to one location is a good idea especially with certain enemies of Isreal developmenting nukes.

Well if Iran wants to be obliterated they are of course free to try it.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Well Melbourne and Denmark have a rising Islamist population. Don't worry it will only get worse.
We welcome our Moslem brothers and sisters, however Islamists are a very small proportion of them. Australia is a multi-cultural society, Jews like all people are better off in multicultural societies.
Over 10000 people die every year through gun related violence in the US.
Mexico... well... uhm... the Drug War. Some +150.000 casualties since 2006. Basically paradise.




You are one of those who were/are in favour of giving back the Golan prior to a peace agreement with Syria aren't you?
Those people have become rather quite for some time now. I wonder what changed.

PS: Israel is cooperating with Jordan and Egypt.
Which started after peace treaties were achieved. <- HUGE HINT!!!





Canada? Canada is okay.

Loyalists are apparently the better people.




Well if Iran wants to be obliterated they are of course free to try it.
LOL You are a fantastic example of exactly the mindset any sane Jew would avoid like the plague, rather than migrate towards.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
I also dislike the notion of encouraging free, safe and secure communities to relocate to one of the most dangerous places on earth, where there is an all too common tendency for perpetuating conflict, brinkmanship and xenophobia.
I think that the people who have to live there get to decide if they feel it is free, safe and secure. Kosher slaughter outlawed in Poland, attacks in France (including the vandalism of the cemetery today), shooting in Copenhagen, attack in Brussels. The people who have left France thus far have said that they simply didn't feel safe there. It is good to have options.
A new anti-Semitism? Why thousands of Jewish citizens are leaving France | PBS NewsHour
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
I think that the people who have to live there get to decide if they feel it is free, safe and secure. Kosher slaughter outlawed in Poland, attacks in France (including the vandalism of the cemetery today), shooting in Copenhagen, attack in Brussels. The people who have left France thus far have said that they simply didn't feel safe there. It is good to have options.
A new anti-Semitism? Why thousands of Jewish citizens are leaving France | PBS NewsHour
If they think Israel is safer, they must not be thinking very hard.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Well Melbourne and Denmark have a rising Islamist population. Don't worry it will only get worse.




Over 10000 people die every year through gun related violence in the US.
Mexico... well... uhm... the Drug War. Some +150.000 casualties since 2006. Basically paradise.




You are one of those who were/are in favour of giving back the Golan prior to a peace agreement with Syria aren't you?
Those people have become rather quite for some time now. I wonder what changed.

PS: Israel is cooperating with Jordan and Egypt.
Which started after peace treaties were achieved. <- HUGE HINT!!!





Canada? Canada is okay.

Loyalists are apparently the better people.




Well if Iran wants to be obliterated they are of course free to try it.

Well, you should really be quoting death rate per capita versus total death rates to make comparisons fair. But given that, Isreal is actually pretty low on the list of mortality/death rate ratio.

But what about the civilian death rate on home soil from other nationalities? I would take a guess and think that Isreal is on the worser side of this compared to Mexico and US.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
If they think Israel is safer, they must not be thinking very hard.
Then you haven't spent any time in Israel. Fewer people spit on you as you walk the streets.
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