Biden calls for 3 month OUTDOOR national mask mandate

[Quetzal]

Mainly because from what I've seen throughout this pandemic your typical American can't be trusted to practice common sense precautions on their own.

This is my thought as well. As a nation, we have not done any favors for ourselves so intervention may be required.

 

[Twilight Hue]

There's new research coming out that indicates this may not be good enough. See my earlier post.

I'll have to take a look at it. That seems pretty outlandish in light its outdoors.

 

[Watchmen]

I don't consider myself any kind of a liberal and I'm still in favor of the mandate. Mainly because from what I've seen throughout this pandemic your typical American can't be trusted to practice common sense precautions on their own.

Overkill may be what's necessary, and in any case I'd definitely call it justified.

This could be true. Americans suck at this sort of thing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Thats ridiculous. 6 feet distancing is all that is required which comes from the doctors themselves.

Actually, time and time and time again, masks have been shiwn to be the greatest protection. Even the six feet thing doesn't really work that well because some things--including talking--can send water droplet (and thus the virus) beyond six feet. We've studied so well at this point that we even know whoch masks work better and which ones can make things worse (knitted masked and the neck thingies) by breaking up larger particles into smaller ones and sending them out

 

[Watchmen]

Maybe we should talk about this after you've calmed down.
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He seems perfectly calm and rational to me. Maybe you just don’t like his position and prefer Orwellian totalitarianism.

 

[Watchmen]

Actually, time and time and time again, masks have been shiwn to be the greatest protection. Even the six feet thing doesn't really work that well because some things--including talking--can send water droplet (and thus the virus) beyond six feet.

Yep. Masks are effective. An outdoor mandate is going too far.

 

[Watchmen]

There's new research coming out that indicates this may not be good enough. See my earlier post.

Outdoors?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Great to know you don't care about your fellow citizens and you believe it your right to not help protect them but instead put them in danger.

I'm not wearing any mask outdoors period. Indoors yes, Not outdoors unless its something coming directly from some very responsible and trustworthy experts who have a track record of accuracy and reliability.

 

[Quintessence]

There is evidences of less contraction if a person is outdoors. Like already stated its overkill.

In a world where saving human lives is perhaps the most sacred of all values (that is, it is beyond questioning and considered indisputably good to save human lives), could you explain to me how something as non-invasive and innocuous as wearing a face covering is "overkill?"

It's not like you are being asked to donate a kidney.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Great to know you don't care about your fellow citizens and you believe it your right to not help protect them but instead put them in danger.

LOL, Way to go with the strawman! Thought you were better than that, Shadow Wolf.

 

[Quintessence]

I'll have to take a look at it. That seems pretty outlandish in light its outdoors.

The study wasn't done outdoors, but that things spread further in indoor spaces than previously believed... well, context is important. I think about the farmer's market I attended this morning. While there is more spacing, there are also lots of people there. Still outdoors, but the city asks people to wear masks. I think that's smart, even if it's a bit uncomfortable when it gets hot outside.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yep. Masks are effective. An outdoor mandate is going too far.

No, it's not. Because people still get up close to eachother outdoors. Not as risky as it is indoors, but still too risky.
We seriously need to quit *****ing about poor me, me, me and makimg all sorts of excuses and do our part to help get our country through this and survive. Like the countries who aren't doing nearly this bad (such as those who have banned Americans from entering because the average American has been far beyond reckless and irresponsible).

 

[Watchmen]

No, it's not. Because people still get up close to eachother outdoors. Not as risky as it is indoors, but still too risky.
We seriously need to quit *****ing about poor me, me, me and makimg all sorts of excuses and do our part to help get our country through this and survive. Like the countries who aren't doing nearly this bad (such as those who have banned Americans from entering because the average American has been far beyond reckless and irresponsible).

Yes. It is. Because tons of people go outside by themselves or with their own household. The science also trends towards showing the virus doesn’t spread much outdoors. Did the countries who did well have “outdoor mandates?” If I go to the river this afternoon should I wear a mask? If a rancher is plowing his fields this weekend should he wear a mask? If my son plays nine holes by himself should he wear a mask?

you know driving slower will probably lead to less car deaths. Should everyone be limited to 25 mph, even on the freeway?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm not wearing any mask outdoors period. Indoors yes, Not outdoors unless its something coming directly from some very responsible and trustworthy experts who have a track record of accuracy and reliability.

It already has come from those who know what they are talking about, people who are experts in the field.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes. It is. Because tons of people go outside by themselves or with their own household. The science also trends towards showing the virus doesn’t spread much outdoors. Did the countries who did well have “outdoor mandates?” If I go to the river this afternoon should I wear a mask? If a rancher is plowing his fields this weekend should he wear a mask? If my son plays nine holes by himself should he wear a mask?

you know driving slower will probably lead to less car deaths. Should everyone be limited to 25 mph, even on the freeway?

If you are going to be near others, wear it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

LOL, Way to go with the strawman! Thought you were better than that, Shadow Wolf.

You dismissed taking steps towards help8ng protect others and slow the spread of covid, and stated you would refuse. Thats not a strawman.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

I suppose there's something to be said for being consistent.

Sorry you had a bad experience with a vaccine - that's rough. I promise you, though, wearing a face mask is absolutely not going to kill you. It's fine. Really.

As I said before, I'm pro-mask. My state has a mask law that I support 100%. It states that masks are required in indoor public spaces. I think that's a fair rule. But never allowing a person to breathe fresh air by an executive order? That's just plain wrong.

Also, to reiterate, why do you support mandatory vaccines? If vaccines work, whats the threat to you if someone doesnt get one?

 

[exchemist]

Nope, re-read. I said Biden will have to clarify his position, else I'll be voting Trump.

Come off it: you'll be voting Trump come what may, that's been obvious for the last 6 months at least.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It already has come from those who know what they are talking about, people who are experts in the field.

I'm talking about established peer reviewed published papers.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I would do it if they said to, but I generally walk and hike where there are no people. I like to go in a public marsh area to hike, and hardly anyone in town likes to maintain the trails in there. This probably puts me at higher risk for lime disease, surely. Give the effects of that a read. Also I might run into a mountain lion or something. Still have never heard much outcry over people enjoying nature, which is often a potentially dangerous thing to do. And what I do, just hiking in a modestly remote area, is the tip of the iceberg on that.

I don't really know if society does care about our health in other ways as well. The gas station across my job has two aisles of junk food and soda in it. Anyone can buy any of that with no holds barred. Doesn't society ultimately pay however, when all that 'food' makes someone sick?