Biden calls for 3 month OUTDOOR national mask mandate

[Quintessence]

As I said before, I'm pro-mask. My state has a mask law that I support 100%. It states that masks are required in indoor public spaces. I think that's a fair rule. But never allowing a person to breathe fresh air by an executive order? That's just plain wrong.

I think we need more information before we declare that's what the intention is. What we get from that article is a snippet of campaign rhetoric that doubtfully conveys the entire story. In any case, there's nothing reported about having to wear face covering in your own home. Do you not get fresh air in your home?

Also, to reiterate, why do you support mandatory vaccines? If vaccines work, whats the threat to you if someone doesnt get one?

This thread isn't about vaccines, so the most I'm going to say is that you made a mistaken assumption here: I do not support mandatory vaccines and never said I did. I simply asked if you were opposed to it. I mostly don't care, and will follow whatever the law of the land is.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The study wasn't done outdoors, but that things spread further in indoor spaces than previously believed... well, context is important. I think about the farmer's market I attended this morning. While there is more spacing, there are also lots of people there. Still outdoors, but the city asks people to wear masks. I think that's smart, even if it's a bit uncomfortable when it gets hot outside.

I heard about the new information you mentioned. Still I wouldn't object that crowded outdoor events and places have a mask requirement. Like the farmers market you mentioned. Maybe that and even increasing the distance a couple of feet or so when you take it off.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thats ridiculous. 6 feet distancing is all that is required which comes from the doctors themselves.

That was an arbitrarily selected number. I've read
research that much more distance would be better.

Under what constitutional authority can the federal
government order everyone in Ameristan to wear masks?

 

[Quintessence]

I heard about the new information you mentioned. Still I wouldn't object that crowded outdoor events and places have a mask requirement. Like the farmers market you mentioned. Maybe that and even increasing the distance a couple of feet or so when you take it off.

I work at a university, and masks are being required outdoors because of context. It is a place where thousands of people roam about outdoors and are often unable to maintain physical distance at all times. I balked at this at first until I thought about it for a moment.

Plus, there is another angle of wearing masks outdoors at all times - the more people you see doing it, the more mask wearing becomes the social norm for everyone. It means greater compliance in mask wearing in all sorts of situations, not just outdoors.

 

[Augustus]

Good thing you cowards weren't the ones fighting WWII. Instead of raiding Normandy, y'all would be sitting back on the boat, shaking and ****ting yourselves.

Nothing is more indicative of awe-inspiring physical courage than making melodramatic posts on the internet.

Hitler would be ruing the day he invaded Poland...

 

[Watchmen]

If you are going to be near others, wear it.

But that’s not what Biden is saying, is it?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

...
Under what constitutional authority can the federal
government order everyone in Ameristan to wear masks?

Article 1, section 8

 

[Revoltingest]

Article 1, section 8

Ref....
https://usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html
How so?

 

[Kenny]

So you've decided who to vote for based on one issue that you don't actually know anything about?
Tom

@Hubert Farnsworth does have a point, IMV.

But I don't think that will be the only issue. IMV, there are multiple actions that are driving Democrats to vote for Trump. The protests seems to be another factor:

NYPD Union Endorses Trump For President | HuffPost

I wonder when was the last time NYPD Union support a Republican President? (I don't know and can't seem to find a list of past support)

 

[Quagmire]

I'm calm. I'm waiting for you to clarify. Do you think all Americans should be forced to put on a mask simply for going outside, regardless of whether or not they're in a public space or around people?

Nope, but I'm in favor of the mandate anyway. Why? Because at this point I would rather leave it up to the police to decide when it's OK and when it isn't to go without a mask.

It's been left up to the public until now, and if you look at the stats -- orf that matter just look around you -- you can see that the public has failed to act responsibly in this matter.

We had our shot, we blew it.


[QUOTE="Hubert Farnsworth]
if so your position is obviously irrational and paranoid. But unsurprising given the state of America today. [/Quote]

I'm sure a lot of things that informed people consider common sense seem "irrational and paranoid" to you.

but Trump is the dictator. Yeah, right.

Is everybody who isn't you an anti-Trump agent in your world?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Ref....
https://usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html
How so?

... provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States ...

Notice general Welfare. That is legalese for what the politician can do as long it doesn't infringe on your rights. Now this has already been through the courts and they have such rights during pandemics. Even to lock up people, because they are a threat to the general Welfare.

 

[Revoltingest]

... provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States ...

Notice general Welfare. That is legalese for what the politician can do as long it doesn't infringe on your rights.

To extend that to a legal requirement that all must wear
masks outdoors is a very ambitious interpretation.

Now this has already been through the courts and they have such rights during pandemics. Even to lock up people, because they are a threat to the general Welfare.

Are you sure that such court rulings
have been federal, & not state level?

 

[Quagmire]

He seems perfectly calm and rational to me.

That doesn't surprise me at all.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

To extend that to a legal requirement that all must wear
masks outdoors is a very ambitious interpretation.

Are you sure that such court rulings
have been federal, & not state level?

It is late in the Kingdom of Denmark. I will check in tomorrow.

 

[George-ananda]

I agree that this is going too far. Even outdoors with no one anywhere close?

I wonder if Biden is going too far just to make Trump look too soft on mask wearing. Politics before common sense.

What is the national health effect of so strongly discouraging outdoor exercise? Gyms are already closed.

 

[Watchmen]

That doesn't surprise me at all.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they’re overreacting or irrational.

 

[Quagmire]

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they’re overreacting or irrational.

That's absolutely right.

 

[Windwalker]

I'm not wearing any mask outdoors period.

What if you were outdoors, and have to be closer to others while walking by, saying passing each other at 2 feet apart on a crowded sidewalk? Not even then?

Now, while I'm not in favor of putting a mask on while I'm riding my bike cruising down the streets, where no one is anywhere near me, if I pull into an area where people are congested, I put it on. Wind currents carry stuff, and when you've got a crowd of people outdoors, there still is a risk.

I also practice Tai Chi in the park with the other members of the studio I go to, and every single one of us wears a mask while we are gathered together outdoors. We stand at least 10 feet apart from each other, and all wear masks while doing Tai Chi.

Would it be nicer with it off? Hell yes. But not if it means putting others at risk. There's between 20 to 50 of us at one time. So masks are a good thing in this situation. When I'm off by myself at the park by the lake, then I do Tai Chi with it off. But not with others. I can't be that selfish. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[columbus]

Nope, re-read. I said Biden will have to clarify his position, else I'll be voting Trump.

Because Trump's C19 policies are so great that he doesn't have to clarify, in order to get your vote?

Seriously? Trump's been a C19 disaster. But you'll vote for him because Biden might be requiring something you'd not prefer.
Tom

 

[oldbadger]

I understand the need for indoor public mask mandates in some states. But to say a Federal order should be issued requiring every American to wear a mask simply for going outside and prohibit anyone from breathing outdoor, fresh air by federal law? That's going too far. Biden will need to clarify exactly what he means by this "outdoor national mask mandate" or Trump will certainly be getting my vote in November. And the same thing can be said for most Americans. All the elitist, authoritarian liberals think that their opinion is right and matters more than the opinions of rural, libertarian/classical liberals. Guess what, it doesn't. If Biden is serious about this he will lose and I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of all the self-righteous, fanatical authoritarians when Biden loses.

Biden reiterates call for nationwide mask mandates at second event with Harris

Not a dreadful idea (at this time), wearing a mask when not at home.

One benefit would be that everybody would have a mask with them at all times.

But if that will send you in to President Trump's arms, then go and vote for him. You see, if President Trump is returned to the White House then he will be free of the worries about voters because they will never be able to vote for (or against) him again, anyway.

Then you'll see the real President Trump, for a whole four years.

Good Luck with that.