Biden Out!

[LuisDantas]

He is the same age as Biden when he took office so they wouldn't really have a leg to stand on IMO.
Unless they are willing to admit Biden was too old even then.

Facts rarely stop Trump from saying his usual... stuff. Let's call it stuff for the moment.

 

[Spice]

Names are already being thrown around.

Kamala Harris’ Running Mate: Here’s Who Could Be Her VP After Biden Drops Out And Endorses Her

Kamala Harris Narrows VP Shortlist To These 2 Picks

Harris’ team has reportedly vetted about a dozen contenders as she prepares to announce her running mate.

www.forbes.com

Who Would Kamala Harris Pick as Her 2024 Running Mate? Possible VP Candidates to Fill Out New Democratic Ticket

Who Will Kamala Harris Pick as Her 2024 Running Mate? Possible VP Candidates to Fill Out New Democratic Ticket

Kamala Harris has Joe Biden's endorsement to lead the Democratic Party ticket in November, making her the front-runner to earn the party's nomination. But there'd still be an open slot on the ticket, and Harris' vice presidential nominee remains up in the air

people.com

My choices:
1)Buttigieg
2)Beshear
3)Cooper
All white males; 2 3 red states; one extremely good speaker remembered from first listen to speak up for Liberal Christians, and surely he has name recognition, not to mention he was my candidate of choice in 2020.

Edited for correction: ALL from red states. I had to check to see that Indiana is Rep.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Tim Walz, anyone?

 

[We Never Know]

The lies have already started about Harris in MAGA media. Addressed by Beau:

Aren't those the same qualifications needed to be VP?
If she already met them to be VP then its already settled. So its a nothingburger.

Thus, to serve as vice president, an individual must:

• be a natural-born U.S. citizen;
• be at least 35 years old;
• be a resident in the U.S. for at least 14 years

Vice President of the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Debater Slayer]

I am trying not to make that assumption. I am astounded by how deeply different your perception is from mine, and trying to understand why that is so.

For the time being, I assume that you have strong feelings of disapproval for how he has been handling the situation in Gaza. I have several reasons to wonder why that would weight so strongly in your feelings, but I have not conceived of a better explanation.

Yes, his handling of the situation in Gaza is the main reason for my disapproval of him. As for why that weighs so strongly in my assessment of Biden, it's because I believe that it is absolutely imperative to give a lot of weight to tens of thousands of deaths and more than twice as many injuries (38,000+ deaths and 88,000+ injuries, so far).

Any sources that you might want to recommend for perhaps better understanding your feelings about Joe Biden?

I use various sources to stay updated on US policies, as I said, including (but not limited to) official US government websites, the Associated Press, and Reuters. As far as sources with different leanings and opinion pieces that give perspectives from specific viewpoints—including ones I especially oppose—I check out many other sources including (but again not limited to) the Hill, the New York Times, the Guardian, France24, the Times of Israel, Al Jazeera (in English), and others that range from highly reputable to so opinionated as to be editorial. I don't give all sources equal trust in terms of reliability, but I prefer and try to be aware of as many different perspectives and analyses, including opinionated ones, as I can.

I could go into more details about my opinion of Biden, which is based on his policies rather than the position of any one media outlet, but I don't want to derail this thread. I hope this post clarifies at least the nutshell version of why I have the viewpoint that I do, though.

 

[Spice]

I think he'll go through her like she's made of candy floss. I would put my money on a Trump landslide.

Only by way of his poor Rickles impression.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Best of luck to you, Kamala! There is quite a lot of meaningful, lasting situations relying on you (or less likely, some other candidate) succesfully stopping Trump and his ilk.

Just what we need. A race chameleon president interested in only her own career and demanding people stand up when she enters a room. Beautiful choice.

I would love to see her strategically go ahead toe in toe with countries like Russia, and Iran, and North Korea, and China....

Makes me wonder who's going to get eaten alive here.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Well, the other problem is we'd be on the same side! I think she can beat Trump myself. Perhaps not because she is an ideal choice -- but because all of a sudden, millions of torn Americans will now have a viable choice -- not so much between the worser of two evils, but between evil and hope. And that's a choice I myself would find comforting and easy to make.

However, happy to buy you a pint of Moosehead or two, if you're ever in the neighbourhood (I don't get very far from home anymore. Mostly just to my local.)

Oh, ok. I thought you said above that Biden dropping out would mean the Ds would lose. I think they will now win.

Of course, it may not matter. If Harris is declared the winner, the Rs have the people and policies in place now to prevent her being certified as winner. So, things are going to get very ugly. Our only hope is that Trump passes away (peacefully, in his sleep) between now and election day.

 

[Argentbear]

Just what we need. A race chameleon president interested in only her own career and demanding people stand up when she enters a room. Beautiful choice.

I would love to see her strategically go ahead toe in toe with countries like Russia, and Iran, and North Korea, and China....

Makes me wonder who's going to get eaten alive here.

I think Trumps preferred pronouns are he/him

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Oh, ok. I thought you said above that Biden dropping out would mean the Ds would lose. I think they will now win.

Of course, it may not matter. If Harris is declared the winner, the Rs have the people and policies in place now to prevent her being certified as winner. So, things are going to get very ugly. Our only hope is that Trump passes away (peacefully, in his sleep) between now and election day.

You have a very good point, and one that so far I haven't been considering. I do believe, if selected by the DNC as their nominee for President, she can win it handily -- in large part because, as I said, she suddenly makes the choice for many Democrats, quite a few Independents and a few moderate Republicans, a lot less fraught. Whether or not Republican operatives can subvert the Electoral College count is another matter, and they do seem to have been working towards that end.

But consider this, too -- when Congress gathers to certify the vote in January, Harris will be the President of the Senate who is central to that process. I bet she'll be harder to subvert than Mike Pence (who I credit for doing his duty).

 

[PureX]

Same here.
I hope for a replacement capable of beating Trump,
& that I loathe significantly less than Genocide Joe.

Sadly, I suspect that whomever they choose to run will be "genocide prone" simply because the bribes and kickbacks coming from the U.S. weapons manufacturers and the Israelis combined represent a major profit source for U.S. politicians on any side of the isle. And rocking the oligarch's boat is NOT going to be a good campaign strategy at this time. But we can always hope that someone a little younger might be a bit more progressively minded down the road.

If they can win.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think TH is smarter than that. I hope.

Smart can be defeated by extreme partisanship.
Trump inspires that in his cult.

 

[PureX]

I think Trumps preferred pronouns are he/him

More like ME! and ME!.

 

[We Never Know]

More like ME! and ME!.

And "I"

 

[We Never Know]

Facts rarely stop Trump from saying his usual... stuff. Let's call it stuff for the moment.

Ok....

But why would the dems try to balk about Trumps age when he is the same age as Biden was when he took office in 2021?
Unless they are willing to admit Biden was too old even then.

 

[Revoltingest]

Could legal troubles arise??

Johnson warns GOP will defy Dems’ possible new nominee

"House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) claimed during a Sunday interview with ABC News' This Week that Republicans are sure to present the Democrats with "challenges" in the case President Joe Biden decides to drop his bid for reelection, Politico reports.

Every state has its own system, and in some of these, it’s not possible to simply just switch out a candidate," the speaker said.

The GOP leader added, "I think in states where it can be contested, I expect that it will be, and they’ll have an interesting battle on their hands," referring to the Democratic Party's possible pivot to another nominee"...

MSN

That would be a tough argument to make.
- The Dems haven't even held their nominating convention yet.
- It would mean that if a leading party candidate died before
the convention, that it would legally prevent anyone in the
party running as its presidential nominee. That's absurd.

Republicans work against democracy. First they tried a coup
to over-turn the 2020 election. Now they want prevent
anyone but a clearly ailing elderly candidate from running,
despite his dropping out.

Their wanting to win at any cost & by any means
makes Republicans unworthy of the office.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think he'll go through her like she's made of candy floss. I would put my money on a Trump landslide.

Are you serious? I do not think that she will let him get away with any lies. and lies are all that Trump has.

 

[We Never Know]

That would be a tough argument to make.
- The Dems haven't even held their nominating convention yet.
- It would mean that if a leading party candidate died before
the convention, that it would legally prevent anyone in the
party running as its presidential nominee. That's absurd.

Republicans work against democracy. First they tried a coup
to over-turn the 2020 election. Now they want prevent
anyone but a clearly ailing elderly candidate from running,
despite his dropping out.
Their wanting to win at any cost & by any means makes
Republicans unworthy of the office.

They are only changing from Biden because they don't think he has a chance. (Not health or others issues. So far anyway).

IOW their reason is lets get someone else and see if they can do better.

I almost want to predict a medical issue will be announced soon for his exit, which will provide a good reason.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sadly, I suspect that whomever they choose to run will be "genocide prone" simply because the bribes and kickbacks coming from the U.S. weapons manufacturers.....

Evidence (other than your usual conspiracy theories)?

.....and the Israelis combined represent a major profit source for U.S. politicians on any side of the isle.

Evidence?

And rocking the oligarch's boat is NOT going to be a good campaign strategy at this time. But we can always hope that someone a little younger might be a bit more progressively minded down the road.

If they can win.

I notice that you ignore religion causing US support
for Israel's brutality. So many Christians & Jews here
favor it that politician's cater to them, lest they lose
office. That might be changing....
- Israel's brutal genocide is changing minds.
- Israel is expensive to prop up.
- Younger voters are less tolerant of hypocritical
deadly US policy against Muslims.
- The Muslim vote is increasing. They're powerful
here in MI.

 

[Revoltingest]

They are only changing from Biden because they don't think he has a chance. (Not health or others issues. So far anyway).

The reason they think he can't win is because of
his declining mental & physical health.
Duh!
But aside from that, the idea that it's illegal to
change candidates before even their convention
will be a hard sell....even to Trump's SCOTUS.

IOW their reason is lets get someone else and see if they can do better.

Do you believe that makes the switch illegal?
Why?