Biden, Pence and Trump.... the tale of the classified documents

[Heyo]

Trump cannot very easily get off of the "knowingly" claim. Especially after it was demanded that the documents be returned. Unless one wants to use the defense that he is delusional. Trump would probably not like that since it might get in the way of his political career.

Trump would not like that because it scratches his ego - his voters don't care if he's delusional, it might even help as it makes him more like them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump cannot very easily get off of the "knowingly" claim. Especially after it was demanded that the documents be returned. Unless one wants to use the defense that he is delusional. Trump would probably not like that since it might get in the way of his political career.

I'm sure his defense will be vigorous, novel,
& useful to inspire MAGAs to support him.
Even conviction might help him. He knows
that prison time is off the table for royalty.

 

[Ponder This]

I made this post on a thread yesterday but its seems my post fell victim to the groundhog day disappearance. So I thought I would make it into a thread.....

Biden, Pence and Trump all three had classified documents in unsecure ares that they shouldn't have had.

Biden and Pence claimed they didn't know, stuck to that, cooperated and the records were returned/retrieved (some through a consent to search) with no problem.

Trump knew he had some, denied/lied he had them, tried to get others to lie about them, didn't cooperate, had to have search warrants served to retrieve them, etc.


Now Biden and Pence when compared to Trump don't look bad..... Maybe Trumps actions even helped them look better.

Bottom line is they all three had classified documents in unsecure area's that they shouldn't have had.... Therefore they all three, in reality, commited the same offense.

Should Biden and Pence be given a pass?

Are you really seriously asking if Biden and Pence should be given a pass (and join Obama, the Clintons, and the Bushes in being given a pass) and that only Trump should not get a pass and be targetted?!?

Nay. The NARA, the FBI, the DOJ and whoever else involved do not get a pass on this. They've played favorites. Whoever participated in this corruption has violated the trust of the people and should be removed from their positions in the federal bureaucracy.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Are you really seriously asking if Biden and Pence should be given a pass (and join Obama, the Clintons, and the Bushes in being given a pass) and that only Trump should not get a pass and be targetted?!?

How are they being given a pass? On what?

Nay. The NARA, the FBI, the DOJ and whoever else involved do not get a pass on this. They've played favorites. Whoever participated in this corruption has violated the trust of the people and should be removed from their positions in the federal bureaucracy.

How are they playing favourites?

 

[metis]

Are you really seriously asking if Biden and Pence should be given a pass (and join Obama, the Clintons, and the Bushes in being given a pass) and that only Trump should not get a pass and be targetted?!?

You continue to misrepresent the thing that Trump is being charged with, and it's not the possession but his refusal to turn them over even after being subpoenaed.

 

[Ponder This]

You continue to misrepresent the thing that Trump is being charged with, and it's not the possession but his refusal to turn them over even after being subpoenaed.

Clinton destroyed subpoenaed evidence. The FBI Files on Clinton’s Emails The FBI announced they would not prosecute. She received a pass.

Possession of Documents is the thread topic. Do you have an opinion on possession of documents? Or do you think that Biden, Pence, and Trump should all receive a pass?

How are they playing favourites?

First of all, NARA did not request their documents.
Second of all, they were allowed to negotiate their documents and they weren't raided after getting a judge to sign off on an insufficient warrant.
And third, the FBI didn't pursue them with manufactured evidence.
FBI Lacked ‘Any Actual Evidence of Collusion’ between Trump Campaign, Russia When Crossfire Hurricane Launched, Durham Find
Meanwhile, the DOJ and FBI have slow-walked investigations into Biden. The Hunter Laptop was real and they sat on it for a year before starting to do anything. U.S. Intelligence actually had the gall to suggest the laptop could be Russian disinformation. Their statement directly influenced the 2020 election.

How are they being given a pass? On what?

On possession of documents.
For example, the investigation on Pence has already been closed. No charges will be filed.
Pence won't be charged in DOJ classified documents investigation
He has already been given a pass.

 

[metis]

Clinton destroyed subpoenaed evidence. The FBI Files on Clinton’s Emails The FBI announced they would not prosecute. She received a pass.

Comey, a Republican appointee, concluded that there was no serious violation by Hillary but that she made a bad choice when using an unsecured server. That's vastly different than what Trump repeatedly did.

Possession of Documents is the thread topic. Do you have an opinion on possession of documents? Or do you think that Biden, Pence, and Trump should all receive a pass?

My opinion is that all such documents should be turned in on time, but violation of that has not ever been viewed as to warrant a criminal charge. Trump's refusal to do so even after being subpoenaed does indeed warrant such a charge.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Clinton destroyed subpoenaed evidence. The FBI Files on Clinton’s Emails The FBI announced they would not prosecute. She received a pass.

Possession of Documents is the thread topic. Do you have an opinion on possession of documents? Or do you think that Biden, Pence, and Trump should all receive a pass?

Scroll up. We had an entire discussion about this.

First of all, NARA did not request their documents.
Second of all, they were allowed to negotiate their documents and they weren't raided after getting a judge to sign off on an insufficient warrant.
And third, the FBI didn't pursue them with manufactured evidence.
FBI Lacked ‘Any Actual Evidence of Collusion’ between Trump Campaign, Russia When Crossfire Hurricane Launched, Durham Find
Meanwhile, the DOJ and FBI have slow-walked investigations into Biden. The Hunter Laptop was real and they sat on it for a year before starting to do anything. U.S. Intelligence actually had the gall to suggest the laptop could be Russian disinformation. Their statement directly influenced the 2020 election.

Hunter was indicted and made a plea deal. He already paid his taxes a while back. The laptop story appears to be a pile of steaming garbage, as much as people like yourselves seem to wish it wasn't so you can keep playing this silly "whatabout" game.

No favourites appear to have been played here.

On possession of documents.
For example, the investigation on Pence has already been closed. No charges will be filed.
Pence won't be charged in DOJ classified documents investigation
He has already been given a pass.

Again, scroll up. We just had an entire discussion about this.

All three men "got a pass" to simply being in possession of classified documents. Nobody was charged with that, including Trump. Trump's charges have to do with conspiracy to obstruct justice, corruptly concealing documents, making false statements and representations ... stuff like that. Stuff that the other two guys didn't do. Trump could have just given the documents back when he was asked, like the other two guys. He chose not to, and then chose to conceal, lie and obstruct justice for many months afterward. There's your big difference.

 

[Ponder This]

Comey, a Republican appointee, concluded that there was no serious violation by Hillary but that she made a bad choice when using an unsecured server. That's vastly different than what Trump repeatedly did.

Indeed, Clinton destroyed subpeonaed evidence, and was not charged. She received a pass.

Scroll up. We had an entire discussion about this.

I guess I missed the part where you defended Clinton's destruction of evidence.

My opinion is that all such documents should be turned in on time, but violation of that has not ever been viewed as to warrant a criminal charge. Trump's refusal to do so even after being subpoenaed does indeed warrant such a charge.

I see that you give Clinton a pass for not handing over evidence, even after being subpeonaed.

Hunter was indicted and made a plea deal. He already paid his taxes a while back. The laptop story appears to be a pile of steaming garbage, as much as people like yourselves seem to wish it wasn't so you can keep playing this silly "whatabout" game.

No favourites appear to have been played here.

You think I was talking about Hunter's plea deal? LoL, no. I was talking about the actions of the FBI, the DOJ, and U.S. Intelligence. They sat on the laptop for a year before doing anything. That's favoritism. They suggested the laptop was Russian disinformation. It wasn't. What do you think playing favorites is? Did you just ignore the Durham report?

All three men "got a pass" to simply being in possession of classified documents. Nobody was charged with that, including Trump. Trump's charges have to do with conspiracy to obstruct justice, corruptly concealing documents, making false statements and representations ... stuff like that. Stuff that the other two guys didn't do. Trump could have just given the documents back when he was asked, like the other two guys. He chose not to, and then chose to conceal, lie and obstruct justice for many months afterward. There's your big difference.

Pence will not be charged. He got a pass. Trump has been charged. You listed the charges.
Biden, we don't know yet. He could still be charged (or he might get a pass). He took items out of SCIFF as a Senator, which doesn't happen unless you intentionally smuggle them out. He had documents at the Penn Biden Center that may have been accessed by foreign agents for money. But, maybe the FBI and DOJ will give him a pass. You seem to think they already have.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Indeed, Clinton destroyed subpeonaed evidence, and was not charged. She received a pass.

"THE FACT CHECKER | Trump is technically correct on the timeline, but Clinton’s staff had requested the emails to be deleted months before the subpoena, according to the FBI’s August 2016 report. Moreover, there’s no evidence Clinton deleted the emails in anticipation of the subpoena, and FBI director James B. Comey has said his agency’s investigation found no evidence that any work-related emails were “intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-final-2016-presidential-debate/fact-check-trumps-claim-clinton-destroyed-emails-after-getting-a-subpoena-from-congress/

That's why she wasn't charged.

I guess I missed the part where you defended Clinton's destruction of evidence.


I see that you give Clinton a pass for not handing over evidence, even after being subpeonaed.

See above.

You think I was talking about Hunter's plea deal? LoL, no.

My comment was in response to your comment that said, "Meanwhile, the DOJ and FBI have slow-walked investigations into Biden. The Hunter Laptop was real and they sat on it for a year before starting to do anything. U.S. Intelligence actually had the gall to suggest the laptop could be Russian disinformation. Their statement directly influenced the 2020 election."

You definitely brought up Hunter Biden. Why? Who knows.

I was talking about the actions of the FBI, the DOJ, and U.S. Intelligence. They sat on the laptop for a year before doing anything. That's favoritism. They suggested the laptop was Russian disinformation. It wasn't. What do you think playing favorites is? Did you just ignore the Durham report?

"Durham brought three prosecutions during his tenure, but only one resulted in a conviction — and that was for a case referred to him by the Justice Department inspector general. None of the three undid core findings by Mueller that Russia had interfered with the 2016 election in sweeping fashion.

A former FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, pleaded guilty in 2020 to altering an email related to the surveillance of ex-Trump campaign aide. He was given probation.

But two other cases, both involving alleged false statements to the FBI, resulted in acquittals by jury."

Durham report on Trump-Russia investigation: What led to it and what happens next

An investigation into the origins of the FBI’s probe into ties between Russia and Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign has finally been concluded. The prosecutor leading the inquiry has submitted a much-awaited report that found major flaws. It is the culmination of a four-year...

apnews.com

Sorry, where's the favourtism?

The Hunter Biden laptop story is a joke. Everything about the story just screams bogus, right down the the legally blind repair shop owner who thinks Hunter Biden dropped off his laptop at his shop. Never mind that Rudy Giuliani appears to be at the centre of the whole thing as well. I mean, we know how honest that dude is, right?

Pence will not be charged. He got a pass. Trump has been charged. You listed the charges.
Biden, we don't know yet. He could still be charged (or he might get a pass). He took items out of SCIFF as a Senator, which doesn't happen unless you intentionally smuggle them out. He had documents at the Penn Biden Center that may have been accessed by foreign agents for money. But, maybe the FBI and DOJ will give him a pass. You seem to think they already have.

Trump could have just given the documents back when he was asked, like the other two guys. He chose not to, and then chose to conceal, lie and obstruct justice for many months afterward. There's your big difference.

 

[metis]

Indeed, Clinton destroyed subpeonaed evidence, and was not charged. She received a pass.

There was some discussion as to whether she should or should not, but the FBI could make that decision because of a question of timing:
The FBI notes add to our body of knowledge about Clinton’s emails, as did the May report by the State Department’s inspector general and the FBI’s announcement in July that it would not prosecute Clinton. And, as we did at those times, we again have found that the new information contradicted some claims that Clinton and her campaign had made about her emails in the past... -- The FBI Files on Clinton's Emails - FactCheck.org

In the case of Trump, there certainly is no question. On top of that, since when do two wrongs make a right?

 

[Ponder This]

"THE FACT CHECKER | Trump is technically correct on the timeline, but Clinton’s staff had requested the emails to be deleted months before the subpoena, according to the FBI’s August 2016 report. Moreover, there’s no evidence Clinton deleted the emails in anticipation of the subpoena, and FBI director James B. Comey has said his agency’s investigation found no evidence that any work-related emails were “intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-final-2016-presidential-debate/fact-check-trumps-claim-clinton-destroyed-emails-after-getting-a-subpoena-from-congress/
That's why she wasn't charged.

LoL, ignore the link I posted to try and give a fact check of Trump?!? LoL. And Trump was "technically correct".
But it sounds like you still agree the evidence was deleted after being subpeonaed (which it was) and that you agree that Clinton received a pass (she was not charged).

My comment was in response to your comment that said, "Meanwhile, the DOJ and FBI have slow-walked investigations into Biden. The Hunter Laptop was real and they sat on it for a year before starting to do anything. U.S. Intelligence actually had the gall to suggest the laptop could be Russian disinformation. Their statement directly influenced the 2020 election."

You definitely brought up Hunter Biden. Why? Who knows.

I brought up the actions of the federal bureaucracy with respect to politicians including Joe Biden, Trump, Pence, the Clintons, the Bushes, and Obama, including their influence on the 2020 election. I suppose you could try to make that about Hunter's plea deal instead. It was his laptop that the FBI did nothing about for an entire year while 50 people in U.S. Intelligence signed a thing that suggested it was Russian disinformation (turned out it wasn't Russian disinformation, was it?)

"Durham brought three prosecutions during his tenure, but only one resulted in a conviction — and that was for a case referred to him by the Justice Department inspector general. None of the three undid core findings by Mueller that Russia had interfered with the 2016 election in sweeping fashion.

A former FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, pleaded guilty in 2020 to altering an email related to the surveillance of ex-Trump campaign aide. He was given probation.

But two other cases, both involving alleged false statements to the FBI, resulted in acquittals by jury."

Durham report on Trump-Russia investigation: What led to it and what happens next

An investigation into the origins of the FBI’s probe into ties between Russia and Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign has finally been concluded. The prosecutor leading the inquiry has submitted a much-awaited report that found major flaws. It is the culmination of a four-year...

apnews.com

Sorry, where's the favourtism?

Did you read the Durham report? I wouldn't blame you if you hadn't. It's 365 pages long.

In March 2019, Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller, III concluded his investigation into
the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election

That investigation "did not establish that members ofthe Trump Campaign
conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Moreover,

the law
does not always make a person's bad judgment, even horribly bad judgment, standing alone, a
crime. Nor does the law criminalize all unseemly or unethical conduct that political campaigns
might undertake for tactical advantage, absent a violation of a particular federal criminal statute.

Not everything in the Durham Report was about obtaining a criminal prosecution.

The speed and manner in which the FBI opened and investigated Crossfire Hurricane
during the presidential election season based on raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated
intelligence also reflected a noticeable departure from how it approached prior matters involving
possible attempted foreign election interference plans aimed at the Clinton campaign. As
described in Section IV.B, in the eighteen months leading up to the 2016 election, the FBI was
required to deal with a number of proposed investigations that had the potential of affecting the
election. In each ofthose instances, the FBI moved with considerable caution. In one such
matter discussed in Section IV.B.l, FBI Headquarters and Department officials required
defensive briefings to be provided to Clinton and other officials or candidates who appeared to
be the targets of foreign interference. In another, the FBI elected to end an investigation after
one of its longtime and valuable CHSs went beyond what was authorized and made an improper
and possibly illegal financial contribution to the Clinton campaign on behalf of a foreign entity
as a precursor to a much larger donation being contemplated. And in a third, the Clinton
Foundation matter, both senior FBI and Department officials placed restrictions on how those
matters were to be handled such that essentially no investigative activities occurred for months
leading up to the election. These examples are also markedly different from the FBI' s actions
with respect to other highly significant intelligence it received from a trusted foreign source
pointing to a Clinton campaign plan to vilify Trump by tying him to Vladimir Putin so as to
divert attention from her own concerns relating to her use of a private email server. Unlike the
FBI's opening of a full investigation of unknown members of the Trump campaign based on raw,
uncorroborated information, in this separate matter involving a purported Clinton campaign plan,
the FBI never opened any type of inquiry, issued any taskings, employed any analytical
personnel, or produced any analytical products in connection with the information. This lack of
action was despite the fact that the significance of the Clinton plan intelligence was such as to
have prompted the Director ofthe CIA to brief the President, Vice President, Attorney General,
Director of the FBI, and other senior government officials about its content within days of its
receipt. It was also of enough importance for the CIA to send a formal written referral
memorandum to Director Corney and the Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI's
Counterintelligence Division, Peter Strzok, for their consideration and action. 25 The
investigative referral provided examples of information the Crossfire Hurricane fusion cell had
"gleaned to date."

And on and on the Durham Report goes. In short, the Durham Report reveals the favoritism within the federal bureaucracy, particularly within the FBI.

Within days after opening Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI opened full investigations on four
members of the Trump campaign team: George Papadopoulos, Carter Page, Paul Manafort, and
Michael Flynn. 27 No defensive briefing was provided to Trump or anyone in the campaign
concerning the information received from Australia that suggested there might be some type of
collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, either prior to or after these
investigations were opened. Instead, the FBI began working on requests for the use of FISA
authorities against Page and Papadopoulos. The effort as related to Papadopoulos proved
unsuccessful. 28 Similarly, the initial effort directed at Page was unsuccessful until the Crossfire
Hurricane investigators first obtained what were designated as "Company Intelligence Reports"
generated by Christopher Steele. As set forth in Sections IV.D. l .b.ii and iii and in brief below,
the Steele Reports were first provided to the FBI in early July 2016 but, for unexplained reasons,
only made their way to the Crossfire Hurricane investigators in mid-September. The reports
were ostensibly assembled based on information provided to Steele and his company by a
"primary sub source," who the FBI eventually determined in December 2016 was Igor
Danchenko.

Do you disagree with anything in the Durham Report?

The Hunter Biden laptop story is a joke. Everything about the story just screams bogus, right down the the legally blind repair shop owner who thinks Hunter Biden dropped off his laptop at his shop. Never mind that Rudy Giuliani appears to be at the centre of the whole thing as well. I mean, we know how honest that dude is, right?

Wait. You think Hunter's laptop is a "joke"? Played by... Rudy Giuliani, I guess? Please explain this conspiracy theory to me.

Trump could have just given the documents back when he was asked, like the other two guys. He chose not to, and then chose to conceal, lie and obstruct justice for many months afterward. There's your big difference.

You mean like Pence did? Pence was never asked for documents. He volunteered them after watching the FBI raid Mar-a-Lago.
You mean like Biden? One of his lawyers happened to see something after Mar-A-Lago and had an "Oh ****" moment. The FBI let Biden just hold on to that stuff until well after the 2022 election - no rush.
You mean like Clinton? She deleted her e-mails. DOJ was like - meh, let's not press charges (she probably didn't mean to obstruct, riiight?)
You mean like Cheney? That was just a picture of a document shredding truck. Nothing to see here folks.
Did they ask Obama for his? No? Oh but after the raid on Mar-a-Lao it turned out that he had some too, didn't he? Huh.
Hmm. There does seem to be a big difference here in how NARA acted and how the FBI and the DOJ acted.

There was some discussion as to whether she should or should not, but the FBI could make that decision because of a question of timing:
The FBI notes add to our body of knowledge about Clinton’s emails, as did the May report by the State Department’s inspector general and the FBI’s announcement in July that it would not prosecute Clinton. And, as we did at those times, we again have found that the new information contradicted some claims that Clinton and her campaign had made about her emails in the past... -- The FBI Files on Clinton's Emails - FactCheck.org

In the case of Trump, there certainly is no question. On top of that, since when do two wrongs make a right?

You seem very trusting of the FBI, their notes, their decision not to prosecute Clinton. The FBI chose not to go after Clinton, so she must be okay? But they chose to go after Trump so he must certainly be guilty? No question at all! Ha!

 

[We Never Know]

LoL, ignore the link I posted to try and give a fact check of Trump?!? LoL. And Trump was "technically correct".
But it sounds like you still agree the evidence was deleted after being subpeonaed (which it was) and that you agree that Clinton received a pass (she was not charged).


I brought up the actions of the federal bureaucracy with respect to politicians including Joe Biden, Trump, Pence, the Clintons, the Bushes, and Obama, including their influence on the 2020 election. I suppose you could try to make that about Hunter's plea deal instead. It was his laptop that the FBI did nothing about for an entire year while 50 people in U.S. Intelligence signed a thing that suggested it was Russian disinformation (turned out it wasn't Russian disinformation, was it?)


Did you read the Durham report? I wouldn't blame you if you hadn't. It's 365 pages long.


Moreover,

Not everything in the Durham Report was about obtaining a criminal prosecution.


And on and on the Durham Report goes. In short, the Durham Report reveals the favoritism within the federal bureaucracy, particularly within the FBI.

Do you disagree with anything in the Durham Report?


Wait. You think Hunter's laptop is a "joke"? Played by... Rudy Giuliani, I guess? Please explain this conspiracy theory to me.


You mean like Pence did? Pence was never asked for documents. He volunteered them after watching the FBI raid Mar-a-Lago.
You mean like Biden? One of his lawyers happened to see something after Mar-A-Lago and had an "Oh ****" moment. The FBI let Biden just hold on to that stuff until well after the 2022 election - no rush.
You mean like Clinton? She deleted her e-mails. DOJ was like - meh, let's not press charges (she probably didn't mean to obstruct, riiight?)
You mean like Cheney? That was just a picture of a document shredding truck. Nothing to see here folks.
Did they ask Obama for his? No? Oh but after the raid on Mar-a-Lao it turned out that he had some too, didn't he? Huh.
Hmm. There does seem to be a big difference here in how NARA acted and how the FBI and the DOJ acted.


You seem very trusting of the FBI, their notes, their decision not to prosecute Clinton. The FBI chose not to go after Clinton, so she must be okay? But they chose to go after Trump so he must certainly be guilty? No question at all! Ha!

I never heard anything about Obama having documents except Trump claims.
Is there any evidence of it.


Note this isn't a challenge...Its asking a question lol

 

[metis]

You seem very trusting of the FBI, their notes, their decision not to prosecute Clinton. The FBI chose not to go after Clinton, so she must be okay? But they chose to go after Trump so he must certainly be guilty? No question at all! Ha!

You can laugh all you want, but I did not and do not justify the twice-impeached [with some Pub votes btw] insurrectionist who tried to overturn the last election. I've never been a Hillary fan, but what she did, even with what you and some others here allege, nowhere gets even remotely close to the words and actions of Trump. Nor do I put any blind faith whatsoever in the FBI, CIA, or any other governmental agency.

It's been explained to you why charges were not leveled against Hillary even by Comey, who's a Republican, but you keep on trying to basically defend Trump by drawing false equivalencies. On top of this, when considering Trump's basic demeanor, it's "remarkable that some here some find that compatible with the Gospel. Watch any of his rallies and then compare his demeanor on what Jesus said in his "Sermon On the Mount".

Anyway, shalom.

 

[SkepticThinker]

LoL, ignore the link I posted to try and give a fact check of Trump?!? LoL. And Trump was "technically correct".

Uh no. What I did was provide you with the reasons that she wasn't charged.
You apparently have nothing to say about that.

But it sounds like you still agree the evidence was deleted after being subpeonaed (which it was) and that you agree that Clinton received a pass (she was not charged).

I was pointing out that she did not receive a pass and the reason why she had not received a pass.

I brought up the actions of the federal bureaucracy with respect to politicians including Joe Biden, Trump, Pence, the Clintons, the Bushes, and Obama, including their influence on the 2020 election. I suppose you could try to make that about Hunter's plea deal instead. It was his laptop that the FBI did nothing about for an entire year while 50 people in U.S. Intelligence signed a thing that suggested it was Russian disinformation (turned out it wasn't Russian disinformation, was it?)

Already addressed the laptop. You're just repeating yourself.

Did you read the Durham report? I wouldn't blame you if you hadn't. It's 365 pages long.

Again, I posted an article indicating that there was no favourtism. And this is your response.

Moreover,

Not everything in the Durham Report was about obtaining a criminal prosecution.


And on and on the Durham Report goes. In short, the Durham Report reveals the favoritism within the federal bureaucracy, particularly within the FBI.

Do you disagree with anything in the Durham Report?

So you're just doubling down then.

Wait. You think Hunter's laptop is a "joke"? Played by... Rudy Giuliani, I guess? Please explain this conspiracy theory to me.

Like I said, everything about the story screams bogus to me.

You mean like Pence did? Pence was never asked for documents. He volunteered them after watching the FBI raid Mar-a-Lago.

He gave them back, right? Trump didn't do that. Plus he also obstructed, lied, hid, re-hid, lied again, and on and on. You keep ignoring that part.

You mean like Biden? One of his lawyers happened to see something after Mar-A-Lago and had an "Oh ****" moment. The FBI let Biden just hold on to that stuff until well after the 2022 election - no rush.

He gave them back, right? Trump didn't do that. Plus he also obstructed, lied, hid, re-hid, lied again and on and on. You keep ignoring that part.

You mean like Clinton? She deleted her e-mails. DOJ was like - meh, let's not press charges (she probably didn't mean to obstruct, riiight?)

Already discussed and answered.

You mean like Cheney? That was just a picture of a document shredding truck. Nothing to see here folks.

No idea what you're talking about.

Did they ask Obama for his? No? Oh but after the raid on Mar-a-Lao it turned out that he had some too, didn't he? Huh.

He gave them back, right? Trump didn't do that. Plus he also obstructed, lied, hid, re-hid, lied again and on and on. You keep ignoring that part.

Hmm. There does seem to be a big difference here in how NARA acted and how the FBI and the DOJ acted.


You seem very trusting of the FBI, their notes, their decision not to prosecute Clinton. The FBI chose not to go after Clinton, so she must be okay? But they chose to go after Trump so he must certainly be guilty? No question at all! Ha!

Who said Trump must certainly be guilty? I mean, there does seem to be a ton of evidence against him, including recordings of his very own words, but we'll have to see how the trial comes out. You seem to think he's not-guilty, for whatever reasons. You won't address the actual charges against him, so who know why.

 

[Ponder This]

I never heard anything about Obama having documents except Trump claims.
Is there any evidence of it.


Note this isn't a challenge...Its asking a question lol

NARA and the Obama Foundation agreed to convert an abandoned furniture warehouse and store documents there, which admittedly did not meet NARA standards for storage of those documents, The documents were moved and stored there by the Obama Foundation. After the raid on Mar-a-Lago in 2022, it came out about the storage of these documents - to the embarrassment of NARA, who then issued a statement declaring their possession and control of the documents.

 

[fantome profane]

NARA and the Obama Foundation agreed to convert an abandoned furniture warehouse and store documents there, which admittedly did not meet NARA standards for storage of those documents, The documents were moved and stored there by the Obama Foundation. After the raid on Mar-a-Lago in 2022, it came out about the storage of these documents - to the embarrassment of NARA, who then issued a statement declaring their possession and control of the documents.

What is your source for this, particularly what is your source for the claim that they did not meet NARA standards?

 

[Ponder This]

Uh no. What I did was provide you with the reasons that she wasn't charged.
You apparently have nothing to say about that.

I said she got a pass. I agree that she wasn't charged!

I was pointing out that she did not receive a pass and the reason why she had not received a pass.

They didn't charge her. All you are saying is that you think she deserved the pass.

Already addressed the laptop. You're just repeating yourself.

You didn't address it at all, you did whatabout-Hunter's-Plea-Deal. You didn't address the actions of the FBI, the DOJ, or the NARA at all.

Again, I posted an article indicating that there was no favourtism. And this is your response.

Again, I ask you:
What do you think favoritism is?

Like I said, everything about the story screams bogus to me.

Okay, that's your opinion and you're doubling down on it. It's sooooo bogus to you that you did whatabout-Hunter's-Plea-Deal. Does this mean you think the FBI unfairly targetted Hunter with criminal charges from "bogus" evidence on that laptop?

He gave them back, right? Trump didn't do that. Plus he also obstructed, lied, hid, re-hid, lied again, and on and on. You keep ignoring that part.

After the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago? LoL, yes, they "gave them back" LoL. There was no rush to collect them on the part of the FBI, the DOJ, or NARA. In fact, Biden was allowed to just hold on to those documents until after the 2022 election was well settled. There were pre-election headlines for raiding Mar-a-Lago, but quiet delay and collect them later for Biden's stash.

No idea what you're talking about.

I'm talking about how documents have been handled in the past - before Trump was targetted and Mar-a-Lago raided. The Mar-a-Lago raid changed things for everyone.

Who said Trump must certainly be guilty? I mean, there does seem to be a ton of evidence against him, including recordings of his very own words, but we'll have to see how the trial comes out. You seem to think he's not-guilty, for whatever reasons. You won't address the actual charges against him, so who know why.

You are correct that the trial is not finished. I was responding to Metis, but, looking back, I notice that you said:

He chose not to, and then chose to conceal, lie and obstruct justice for many months afterward.

You think Trump's guilty - so don't play dumb. The thread topic is about the question of who should be given a pass. Do you think Trump should be given a pass?

 

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NARA and the Obama Foundation agreed to convert an abandoned furniture warehouse and store documents there, which admittedly did not meet NARA standards for storage of those documents, The documents were moved and stored there by the Obama Foundation. After the raid on Mar-a-Lago in 2022, it came out about the storage of these documents - to the embarrassment of NARA, who then issued a statement declaring their possession and control of the documents.

Fact Check-National Archives and Records Administration says they manage all of Obama’s Presidential records, contrary to claims online

Claims that The Obama Foundation is keeping classified documents in an “abandoned furniture warehouse” contradict official statements and protocol regarding where the documents are kept. The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) has said they are and have been...

www.reuters.com

 

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What is your source for this, particularly what is your source for the claim that they did not meet NARA standards?

Fact Check-National Archives and Records Administration says they manage all of Obama’s Presidential records, contrary to claims online

Claims that The Obama Foundation is keeping classified documents in an “abandoned furniture warehouse” contradict official statements and protocol regarding where the documents are kept. The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) has said they are and have been...

www.reuters.com