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Biden, Pence and Trump.... the tale of the classified documents

We Never Know

No Slack
It just keeps getting worse for Trump. CNN released an audio recording of Trump showing a writer classified documents, and him acknowledging the facts of him possessing them. Notice how they laugh.

Yeah thats old news. It was out last month.

 

We Never Know

No Slack
No, it's a new one. Came out today.
Federal prosecutors obtained it last month.
CNN just recently obtained it.

From my link a month ago...
"The July 2021 meeting was held at Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, with two people working on the autobiography of Trump’s former chief of staff Mark Meadows as well as aides employed by the former president, including communications specialist Margo Martin. The attendees, sources said, did not have security clearances that would allow them access to classified information. Meadows didn’t attend the meeting, sources said."


From your link....
The audio recording comes from a July 2021 interview Trump gave at his Bedminster resort for people working on the memoir of Mark Meadows, Trump’s former chief of staff. The special counsel’s indictment alleges that those in attendance – a writer, publisher and two of Trump’s staff members – were shown classified information about the plan of attack on Iran.
 
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We Never Know

No Slack
Not exactly. We were previously told that the tape existed and we were told some of what was on it. Now you can actually listen to the tape yourself.
It existed last month whether I could listen to it or not.

Federal prosecutors obtained it last month.
CNN just recently obtained it.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Trumped lied. Biden and Pence were smart enough to claim they didnt know.
What makes you think that they knew that they had those documents? They worked with countless documents Misplacing a few may have been careless but it does not appear to be intentional. Trump has made it clear that his acts were intentional. He even showed that he knew the documents were not declassified by him. Why are you so ready to give him a break?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yeah, but that is not all. The law requires that it has to be proven that they knowingly broke the law.
You are not required to tell that you broke the law, it has to be proven.
It is not fundamental to our system that one
must know that one broke the law in order
to be prosecuted. People in government
often claim that ignorance is exculpating,
but only for themselves...not for the masses.
There should be no double standard.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
It is not fundamental to our system that one
must know that one broke the law in order
to be prosecuted. People in government
often claim that ignorance is exculpating,
but only for themselves...not for the masses.
There should be no double standard.

For the relevant law in question is a part of that law that the law is broken knowingly. But yes, for the broad concept of all laws as the law you are right, but not the actual law in question.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yeah, but that is not all. The law requires that it has to be proven that they knowingly broke the law.
You are not required to tell that you broke the law, it has to be proven.
Aye, it is indeed an example of government types
giving themselves the ignorance exemption.
Ref....
Excerpted...
Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.


Contrast that with real estate brokerage licensing law.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse for violating it.
You are expected to know your job!!!!!!
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Aye, it is indeed an example of government types
giving themselves the ignorance exemption.
Ref....
Excerpted...
Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.


Contrast that with real estate brokerage licensing law.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse for violating it.
Trump cannot very easily get off of the "knowingly" claim. Especially after it was demanded that the documents be returned. Unless one wants to use the defense that he is delusional. Trump would probably not like that since it might get in the way of his political career.
 
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