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Biden wants Congress to approve more hurricane relief. GOP refuses to go back to work.

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
The SSP. which is administered by FEMA, provided millions and millions of dollars to illegal immigrants. Also, this:
Last week, DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas told reporters that FEMA was meeting immediate hurricane response needs with the funding that it had, but that it would need additional appropriations from Congress to make it through the rest of the hurricane season. “We are expecting another hurricane hitting,” he said. “We do not have the funds. FEMA does not have the funds to make it through the season and what is imminent.” Last month’s continuing resolution further extended funding for FEMA at its current levels, but additional supplemental funding was cut from early drafts of the resolution.

So I don't really care which bucket it came out of. The truth of the matter is that we are sending millions of dollars overseas and on illlegal immigrants but we have American people suffering right here, right now.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
The SSP. which is administered by FEMA, provided millions and millions of dollars to illegal immigrants. Also, this:


So I don't really care which bucket it came out of. The truth of the matter is that we are sending millions of dollars overseas and on illlegal immigrants but we have American people suffering right here, right now.
What is your point? did you read your article? FEMA administers Border Patrol funds that go to persons released awaiting court proceedings but it is not FEMA's money and it was never part of disaster appropriations. This has been a big year for disasters and so the claim that they had money to cover Helene but not the expected further expenses (Milton didn't even have a name then) is rational and true and in keeping with past policy.

Trump's claim is false and in the worst way as it is not only ignorance but demonizing and done only for political gain.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
What is your point? did you read your article? FEMA administers Border Patrol funds that go to persons released awaiting court proceedings but it is not FEMA's money and it was never part of disaster appropriations. This has been a big year for disasters and so the claim that they had money to cover Helene but not the expected further expenses (Milton didn't even have a name then) is rational and true and in keeping with past policy.

Trump's claim is false and in the worst way as it is not only ignorance but demonizing and done only for political gain.
I didn't say a word about Trump, and I did read the article but I do not care which bucket the funds come from. The point is that we have American people suffering right here and right now and we clearly don't have the money to address this. Meanwhile, we recently have spent millions and millions of dollars on illegal immigrants and foreign countries.

And I knew the forecast many months in advance, BEFORE we spent all this money. And I'm not anyone special. I bet you knew it too, or at least should have. I've been waiting for a busier than average hurricane season and now it is upon us.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The SSP. which is administered by FEMA, provided millions and millions of dollars to illegal immigrants. Also, this:


So I don't really care which bucket it came out of. The truth of the matter is that we are sending millions of dollars overseas and on illlegal immigrants but we have American people suffering right here, right now.
Thanks for posting the actual truth of the matter.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
I didn't say a word about Trump, and I did read the article but I do not care which bucket the funds come from. The point is that we have American people suffering right here and right now and we clearly don't have the money to address this. Meanwhile, we recently have spent millions and millions of dollars on illegal immigrants and foreign countries.

And I knew the forecast many months in advance, BEFORE we spent all this money. And I'm not anyone special. I bet you knew it too, or at least should have. I've been waiting for a busier than average hurricane season and now it is upon us.
So maybe you just don't understand how government works? Congress budgets money for FEMA for disaster relief and it budgets money to the border patrol entity for its functions. FEMA logically has ongoing capabilities for distributing aid throughout the country, they don't just fly in from some base in DC. The border patrol said, we need do distribute these funds and we don't want to duplicate your infrastructure so here is the money, use it for these immigrants from our budget. Meanwhile, FEMA's disaster budget is running low and they will need more funds to cover the remainder of the hurricane season. Which pot of money is exactly the problem. FEMA needs more money for disaster relief and not because they did a service for the Border Patrol department which was never money in the disaster pot to begin with.

Trump has to do with it because he is amplifying these falsehoods.

Whether you thought/new FEMA would need more money is irrelevant, they only have the budget they were granted by Congress according to their thoughts and it isn't enough so FEMA is going back to ask for more and Congress is dawdling, ultimately at the expense of disaster victims.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Thanks for posting the actual truth of the matter.
"On Monday, The Dispatch Fact Check assessed claims that FEMA spent disaster relief funds it could have used to help victims of Hurricane Helene on housing for illegal immigrants—a claim we found to be false. While FEMA does provide funding grants to nonfederal entities to provide services to immigrants, those funds are appropriated separately from the agency’s disaster relief fund (DRF).

Following the widespread accusations, additional claims emerged that, during the Trump administration, funds from FEMA’s disaster relief fund were diverted to address immigration issues. “No, Biden didn’t take FEMA relief money to use on migrants—but Trump did when he took $38 million from FEMA’s disaster fund to use to house migrants during hurricane season in August 2019,” says one post, citing an article by Glenn Kessler in the Washington Post. “No, Joe Biden did not take money from FEMA to pay for housing for illegal immigrants. … But Donald Trump DID!”

This claim is true, though the transfer was relatively small. In 2019, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) redirected funds from several of its agencies, including from FEMA’s disaster relief fund, to support efforts by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to expand immigration detention space and temporary hearing locations.

In August 2019, the DHS ordered the transfer of $116 million to ICE to “fund ICE single adult detention beds and transportation,” and a further $155 million to “establish and operate temporary Migrant Protection Protocol (MPP) Immigration Hearing Facilities along the Southwest border,” according to a report from the department. The DHS claimed that the transfers would allow it to “address ongoing border emergency crisis by alleviating the surge along the Nation’s Southwest Border while minimizing the risk to overall DHS mission performance.”

The DHS’s initial notification document indicated that $155 million of these transfers would come from FEMA’s disaster relief fund, with the rest being pulled from other DHS agencies. However, the actual amount transferred from the DRF appears to have been significantly less and was not anticipated to diminish FEMA’s disaster response capabilities for the remainder of the fiscal year, which ended only one month later. FEMA appropriations summary reports from August and September 2019 indicate that $38 million was redirected from its disaster relief fund to ICE, representing approximately 6 percent of the fund’s base budget. The transfer amounted to an even smaller 0.09 percent of the DRF’s total fiscal year 2019 budget when funding for major disaster declarations and predisaster mitigation are included.

The transfer did not end up impacting FEMA’s operational capacity in 2019—the DRF carried over approximately $29.4 billion of its FY 2019 funding into FY 2020, including $505 million in base funding."

 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
And the SSP is administered by FEMA, which is weird but OK.
Not really, there are lots of examples like this, it saves duplication of efforts and infrastructure which saves all of us money.
Not every federal or state program for that matter has employees to oversee every part of their programs and they use each other's services, It is rather like the School districts don't actually bill and collect taxes, they have the towns and counties do it and then the money is but in the schools account.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So will you drop the false claims now?
Yes but it is still FEMA funneling its money through its branches. They still give more money to foreign interests than our own citizens.

Will you stop the deceptions now?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
"On Monday, The Dispatch Fact Check assessed claims that FEMA spent disaster relief funds it could have used to help victims of Hurricane Helene on housing for illegal immigrants—a claim we found to be false. While FEMA does provide funding grants to nonfederal entities to provide services to immigrants, those funds are appropriated separately from the agency’s disaster relief fund (DRF).

Following the widespread accusations, additional claims emerged that, during the Trump administration, funds from FEMA’s disaster relief fund were diverted to address immigration issues. “No, Biden didn’t take FEMA relief money to use on migrants—but Trump did when he took $38 million from FEMA’s disaster fund to use to house migrants during hurricane season in August 2019,” says one post, citing an article by Glenn Kessler in the Washington Post. “No, Joe Biden did not take money from FEMA to pay for housing for illegal immigrants. … But Donald Trump DID!”

This claim is true, though the transfer was relatively small. In 2019, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) redirected funds from several of its agencies, including from FEMA’s disaster relief fund, to support efforts by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to expand immigration detention space and temporary hearing locations.

In August 2019, the DHS ordered the transfer of $116 million to ICE to “fund ICE single adult detention beds and transportation,” and a further $155 million to “establish and operate temporary Migrant Protection Protocol (MPP) Immigration Hearing Facilities along the Southwest border,” according to a report from the department. The DHS claimed that the transfers would allow it to “address ongoing border emergency crisis by alleviating the surge along the Nation’s Southwest Border while minimizing the risk to overall DHS mission performance.”

The DHS’s initial notification document indicated that $155 million of these transfers would come from FEMA’s disaster relief fund, with the rest being pulled from other DHS agencies. However, the actual amount transferred from the DRF appears to have been significantly less and was not anticipated to diminish FEMA’s disaster response capabilities for the remainder of the fiscal year, which ended only one month later. FEMA appropriations summary reports from August and September 2019 indicate that $38 million was redirected from its disaster relief fund to ICE, representing approximately 6 percent of the fund’s base budget. The transfer amounted to an even smaller 0.09 percent of the DRF’s total fiscal year 2019 budget when funding for major disaster declarations and predisaster mitigation are included.

The transfer did not end up impacting FEMA’s operational capacity in 2019—the DRF carried over approximately $29.4 billion of its FY 2019 funding into FY 2020, including $505 million in base funding."

This is not Trump's administration. This is the Biden and Harris administration.

Just in case you hadn't noticed.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
This is not Trump's administration. This is the Biden and Harris administration.

Just in case you hadn't noticed.
No kidding.

The article is pointing out that Trump did what Trump is accusing the Biden/Harris Admin. of doing. I.e., He's projecting, as usual.

Reading is fundamental.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No kidding.

The article is pointing out that Trump did what Trump is accusing the Biden/Harris Admin. of doing. I.e., He's projecting, as usual.

Reading is fundamental.
One question. Why are they essentially out of money?


Where did it all go?
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I support that claim.

So you tell me why Biden and Harris is not giving the money to our own citizens except for pittance amounts as if it's substantial help.
The 750 is an immediate emergency fund. It is not new, but it has recently been overhauled in 2024. It used to be 500 dollars. Under the Biden administration it was increased to 750.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't care where Fox News thinks it all went.
Sure because you don't know , and nobody knows where it went. That's why we have all these stories about being spent on illegals cuz that money spent on illegals had to come from somewhere and guess who's the likely suspect? The Department of Homeland Security and if I'm correct is also in charge of FEMA.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The 750 is an immediate emergency fund. It is not new, but it has recently been overhauled in 2024. It used to be 500 dollars. Under the Biden administration it was increased to 750.

I heard an interview over the radio about some couples who escaped to hotels because they had nowhere else to go , and the price gouging by said hotels would give that $750 emergency fund around 2 days before they would have to fork up more to stay in said price gouging hotels.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Sure because you don't know , and nobody knows where it went. That's why we have all these stories about being spent on illegals cuz that money spent on illegals had to come from somewhere and guess who's the likely suspect? The Department of Homeland Security and if I'm correct is also in charge of FEMA.
Maybe try reading through the article until the end. :shrug:

And no comment on Trump diverting funds to the "illegals." Funny thing, that.
 
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