Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning

[Ben Dhyan]

This is grasping at straws to try to save the idea of an infinite universe. It's worse than Hawkings pluggin in imaginary numbers.

I don't understand who you are addressing, please clarify? And I also don't get where anyone is trying to save the idea of an infinite universe..rather it seems some commenters are threatened by a scientific paper that appears to be a challenge to BB theory. I also have no idea what 'Hawkings pluggin in imaginary numbers' refers to in the relevancy of the topic?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I note another fly by off topic snide comment from you .....

Off topic?

 

[Sunstone]

I love it when rank amateurs casually pontificate on what theoretical physicists obviously mean.

Careful, or you'll take the fun out of "fundamentally ignorant".

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Off topic?

So you don't have a problem with the 'fly by' and the 'snide' part, just the 'off topic',...2 out of 3 ain't bad..

 

[shawn001]

Really? The multiverse infinity models hold the possibility of BBs being an effect of preexisting cause...the GR BB model posits no preexistence in play...time-space came into being after the BB (they say). Read what I said about the incongruency between GR and QM wrt to vacuum energy, gravity, etc..

From a black hole in another universe causing a wormhole/white hole that started ours, is one of the concepts.

Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?

 

[shawn001]

Again they need to find gravitons. This isn't really new at all they are working to fit cosmology and the big picture to QM. For that they need more QM information.

However, also once again we have the relic light left over from the big bang.

Please tell us what the BB theory really is and why the bang isn't going away. In fact the light from it helps support the add on of inflation period.

So what is this a picture of?

Planck reveals an almost perfect universe
The most detailed map ever created of the cosmic microwave background – the relic radiation from the Big Bang – was released today revealing the existence of features that challenge the foundations of our current understanding of the Universe.

This ‘cosmic microwave background’ – CMB – shows tiny temperature fluctuations that correspond to regions of slightly different densities at very early times, representing the seeds of all future structure: the stars and galaxies of today.

Planck reveals an almost perfect universe | Science Wire | EarthSky

This is the relic light from the Big Bang, regardless of how it started. Cosmologist are looking for evidence in it of another universe being born or any evidence, so far they haven't found it.

 

[psychoslice]

I know what I know, and I don't know what I don't know...just like you...

Come on, admit it, its just your theory, you could not possibly know that, I admit I don't.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

From a black hole in another universe causing a wormhole/white hole that started ours, is one of the concepts.

Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?

Yes, interesting theory....wormholes connecting universes in a multiverse. In any case, this theory also implies an eternal process...no magical start that can't be explained...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Come on, admit it, its just your theory, you could not possibly know that, I admit I don't.

It's reasonable that you admit to not knowing something you do not know, but I doubt you would admit to not knowing something that you understood, despite some unreasonable request to do so....yes?

 

[psychoslice]

It's reasonable that you admit to not knowing something you do not know, but I doubt you would admit to not knowing something that you understood, despite some unreasonable request to do so....yes?

Understanding something doesn't make it right, its just your understanding, nothing more.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It is right for me if I understand, I can't speak for you....

 

[Aupmanyav]

Joseph Smith taught that the earth was over 2,550,000,000 years old, and that other worlds had already died before the earth was created.

I think the prophet was not wholly correct. Is it not something like 13.75 billion years?

Now you ask about conditions where there are no atoms.

Do atoms exist now?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Yes, interesting theory....wormholes connecting universes in a multiverse. In any case, this theory also implies an eternal process...no magical start that can't be explained.

Yes, and of course people used to believe that some things were "magic" until there was a scientific explanation for them. Our ancestors used to blame severe weather events on the gods, now we know it's just...well, the weather!

 

[mystic64]

Yes, and of course people used to believe that some things were "magic" until there was a scientific explanation for them. Our ancestors used to blame severe weather events on the gods, now we know it's just...well, the weather!

We now blame it on humankind .

 

[mystic64]

Fascinating. Your source?

I am suprised at you Jayhawker. All math that involves physics contains the Law of the Conservation of Matter as a foundation statement. All of it. And that law is the reason why there is no such thing as magic. And if you had actually understood the ramifacations of and the controversy created by Stephen Hawling's Blackhole math, then you would not have asked your question.

I love it when rank amateurs casually pontificate on what theoretical physicists obviously mean.

And you would not have made this statement about yourself.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

We now blame it on humankind .

Well, at least on weather-forecasters!

 

[mystic64]

Do atoms exist now?

Nobody really knows . It is all just a mathematical model that is an attempt to explain and predict physical phenomenun. Most of the time it works, but sometimes it does not work. When it does not work, the bright boys and girls then go back to their maga computer and ask it why . Nobody can be a theoritcal physist anymore without access to the (a) maga computer (except Stephen Hawking ) because the mathematical model has become so complicated. And atoms are not a chunk solid of stuff. What they are is a dynamic balance of forces that behave as a chunk of solid stuff most of the time. Part of the time they are just weird and that keeps the theoretical physics boys and girls busy trying to figure out why.

 

[mystic64]

Well, at least on weather-forecasters!

Ya you would think that they would have their stuff together by now . sheesh!

 

[gnostic]

It's reasonable that you admit to not knowing something you do not know, but I doubt you would admit to not knowing something that you understood, despite some unreasonable request to do so....yes?

There are many things I don't know.

But there are many things that I do understand...some of which I don't agree with (or object to), while some others that I do understand but that I don't like.

Understanding is one thing; is what you understand valid or real, is something else.

 

[leibowde84]

At least this will make atheists understand how God is infinite and has no beginning, interesting study.

This is also a reminder of how science is ever-changing and what we may accept as absolute truth, later turns out to be false.

Science is never meant to be considered "absolute truth." It's pliability is what makes it so much more reasonable than faith. It accepts that it doesn't know everything.

And, this would be evidence that would disprove a need for a "creator." Wouldn't you agree?