Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning

[psychoslice]

You are out of your depth...there is plenty of proof of the spirit, but it is not objective scientific proof...and can never in all eternity be...science deals with the physical universe, not the spiritual...get it?

Of course I know that they believe that, but still there is and never has been any proof, we can't believe in fairies in the sky just because some believe that there is, get it ?.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

God is eternal, so it makes sense to me that He has always existed within our eternal universe. However, I believe that God expanded the space of our eternal universe so that life could evolve over billions of years; and He is now expanding the universe towards infinity so that trillions of humanoids with eternal souls can exist with Him.

So a question, what existed between the outside of our eternal universe space, to infinity?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Of course I know that they believe that, but still there is and never has been any proof, we can't believe in fairies in the sky just because some believe that there is, get it ?.

Boy, you really need to ponder a bit deeper.....those who have the proof of spirit can not pass that on to those who haven't the experience, ever....and no one cares if those who do not know think it is like fairy stuff. They can't know anyway until they have the experience, and they can't have the experience until they give up thinking it is like fairy stuff, and even them they may not have the experience...

 

[Salvador]

So a question, what existed between the outside of our eternal universe space, to infinity?

I suppose God could simultaneously exist within and outside of our universe. I doubt that God would just pop into and outside of our universe; because He would never abandon His followers.

 

[psychoslice]

Boy, you really need to ponder a bit deeper.....those who have the proof of spirit can not pass that on to those who haven't the experience, ever....and no one cares if those who do not know think it is like fairy stuff. They can't know anyway until they have the experience, and they can't have the experience until they give up thinking it is like fairy stuff, and even them they may not have the experience...

I myself once had an Enlightenment experience, which I wrote a gook about, but that experience was mine, I have no proof of it truly happening, it was an experience that only I could ever know. Now if I argued that my experience was real, and I could not prove it, why would I argue ?. There is nothing wrong in believing whatever you believe, that's how it should be, but to debate it is to show our own ignorance, we can point to certain things, and then its up to the other to experience it or not, and again it becomes their own experience, and around and round it goes.

 

[outhouse]

Spirit by nature is not physical

Unsubstantiated.

Spirit so far is only mythological

But that is absurd to say that no God exists,

That is a personal opinion only. I see a lack of education on the concept, to say is exist. Only man wrote down words defining him and that definition changes always mirroring the culture who did the defining.

there is plenty of proof of the spirit

There is not shred of credible evidence anywhere. Every single thing you talk about is subjective and factually unsubstantiated.

but it is not objective scientific proof...

You mean real evidence

 

[outhouse]

There is nothing wrong in believing whatever you believe, that's how it should be, but to debate it is to show our own ignorance

And hats off to you my friend.

If more people thought like that, fanaticism would be wiped out rather quickly.

That is reason and logic by the truck full.

 

[psychoslice]

And hats off to you my friend.

If more people thought like that, fanaticism would be wiped out rather quickly.

That is reason and logic by the truck full.

Yes how can we argue about something that only we have experienced, but no evidence to show for it, its just hearsay and nothing more.

 

[outhouse]

Yes how can we argue about something that only we have experienced, but no evidence to show for it, its just hearsay and nothing more.

Agreed the brain is a weak and misunderstood mechanically.

Ive heard what are called the footsteps of god, where I was sleeping in the bed of my truck, and heard footsteps walking up to me, and I tried to scream but couldn't, then woke up sitting up and yelled lol.

No one there. Dreaming or semi conscious I don't know, freaked me out, but there was nothing there but me and my thoughts or dreams.

 

[psychoslice]

Agreed the brain is a weak and misunderstood mechanically.

Ive heard what are called the footsteps of god, where I was sleeping in the bed of my truck, and heard footsteps walking up to me, and I tried to scream but couldn't, then woke up sitting up and yelled lol.

No one there. Dreaming or semi conscious I don't know, freaked me out, but there was nothing there but me and my thoughts or dreams.

Interesting, and some would take that same story and make it sound as if there were ghost or whatever truly there, its real to them and their experience, but how could they argue that it really did happen ?.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I myself once had an Enlightenment experience, which I wrote a gook about, but that experience was mine, I have no proof of it truly happening, it was an experience that only I could ever know. Now if I argued that my experience was real, and I could not prove it, why would I argue ?

There is nothing wrong in believing whatever you believe, that's how it should be, but to debate it is to show our own ignorance, we can point to certain things, and then its up to the other to experience it or not, and again it becomes their own experience, and around and round it goes.

I followed the first part and agree. As to the second...look back to your first post to me, all I've been doing is responding to your initiated assertions. I never addresses you and implied you should believe anything....who wants to debate?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Unsubstantiated.

Spirit so far is only mythological



That is a personal opinion only. I see a lack of education on the concept, to say is exist. Only man wrote down words defining him and that definition changes always mirroring the culture who did the defining.



There is not shred of credible evidence anywhere. Every single thing you talk about is subjective and factually unsubstantiated.



You mean real evidence

You seem now to be thread bombing outhouse....we had this problem on another thread that was eventually locked. It appears you are not here for a discussion on the OP, so please cease with your disruptions.

We get it....so you are an atheist...so what....I could care less, leave it at that!

 

[psychoslice]

I followed the first part and agree. As to the second...look back to your first post to me, all I've been doing is responding to your initiated assertions. I never addresses you and implied you should believe anything....who wants to debate?

But you still continue to reply to me, and I am oblige to reply to you, its just respect.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes how can we argue about something that only we have experienced, but no evidence to show for it, its just hearsay and nothing more.

So stop arguing my friend and get off this thread.....you've said your piece and it was off topic and argumentive and juvenile...

 

[psychoslice]

So stop arguing my friend and get off this thread.....you've said your piece and it was off topic and argumentive and juvenile...

Why do you need to be rude ?, I haven't been rude to you at all.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Why do you need to be rude ?, I haven't been rude to you at all.

Sorry pal....let's leave it at that...

 

[psychoslice]

Yes for me the big bang is the best we have right now, it may have not gone exactly, but again its the best we have. I cannot believe in the religious idea that everything popped into existence, that to me needs a hell lot of faith to be true. I personally see the bible story as a metaphor for creation, it makes much more sense that way, and I don't believe that it was ever meant to be taken literally, this is where people get stuck, they then have to find evidence for their beliefs, which I believe there are none.

 

[shawn001]

Yes, interesting theory....wormholes connecting universes in a multiverse. In any case, this theory also implies an eternal process...no magical start that can't be explained...

Even with the singularity there is no "magical start that can't be explained."

In fact they have shown it could happen without breaking and laws of nature.

But again the precise moment of the Big Bang back to Planck time has not been answered, but the big bang happened.

 

[outhouse]

so please cease with your disruptions.

So stop arguing my friend and get off this thread.....

leave it at that...

You like giving orders.

How about admitting you have no evidence in support of this spirit concept as existing outside mythology?

 

[outhouse]

I personally see the bible story as a metaphor for creation

I don't believe that it was ever meant to be taken literally

Agreed.

Even if they thought it was literal, we know it was semi plagiarized or heavily influenced by pre existing mythological traditions.

When we see the evolution of the mythology, it takes any possibly divine aspects out of any possible equation in reality.